Sunday, 16 August 2009

Poplawski and Prisonplanet

Richard Poplawski's best friend, Eddie Perkovic, an anti-semitic far-right extremist like Poplawski, has the following published on his MySpace page
DOCUMENTS I RECCOMEND YOU READ BY GOOGLE: "Civil War II" by Tom Chittum "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" "The Turner Diaries" by Dr. William Pierce "Jewish Supremacy" by Dr. David Duke ........
LINK
Following Poplawski's triple cop-killing homicidal episode, evidence began to emerge that Poplawski was a far-right extremist - a member and contributor to the neo-Nazi Stormfront and Alex Jones' Prisonplanet.

Alex Jones' Prisonplanet, seemingly perturbed by associations between Jones' Prisonplanet, Poplawski and the more obviously neo-Nazi, anti-semitic, racist and fascist Stormfront, set about attempting to distance themselves from Poplawski - even claiming that Poplawski "opposed the views" of Prisonplanet.

However, rather than turn-up any evidence that Poplawski "opposed" the views of Jones' Prisonplanet, the evidence actually showed that Poplawski had only said (at a Stormfront discussion about Alex Jones) he wasn't "100%" about Alex Jones. By reading the thread at Stormfront in which Poplawski (Braced for Hate) said this, it is clear Poplawski did not "oppose Alex Jones' views" but rather wasn't sure Alex Jones was actually anti-semitic. It needs to be understood that Stormfront, as a rabidly Nazi forum, considers "the jews" as responsible for all evils in the world and any public figure whom fails to share such conviction is considered 'suspect' - an agent of Zion itself. This was the context of the discussion at Stormfront in which Poplawski had said he wasn't "100%" about Alex Jones, and which Prisonplanet erroneously claimed showed Poplawski "opposed" Jones' views. It does not show opposition to Jones' views at all - it only shows that Stormfront Nazis debate whether Jones is fully onboard with their views or not.

Whilst Stormfront has no reservations about its own extreme anti-semitism and fascism, Alex Jones' Prisonplanet differs only in so far as it carefully substitutes age-old euphemisms in place of references to jews: Prisonplanet peddles an almost identical world-conspiracy schema, substituting euphemism for specific and blatant anti-semitism. IMO this is a deliberate use of euphemism so as to avoid accusations of obvious anti-semitism, which allows Jones to mainstream the same world-conspiracy as that propounded at Stromfront and Nazism in general (whilst avoiding the appearance of obvious Nazi sympathies and anti-semitism.) Euphemism aside, Stormfront and Prisonplanet both propound the same (Hitlerite) fantasy of (jewish) world-conspiracy.

Jones' use of standard anti-semitic euphemism is so successful at escaping blatant anti-semitism it allows him access to more mainstream and even left-wing audiences - a constituency unavailable to the more obvious extremists found at Stormfront etc. (even though they are saying essentially the same thing.)

That's the upside for Jones - access to audiences denied to more obvious far-right extremists. The downside, however, is that so successful are Jones' efforts at employing euphemism to avoid criticism for anti-semitism, he is considered "suspect" by the more obviously extremist fringe such as those found at Stormfront. This explains the debate Poplawski was engaged in about Alex Jones at Stromfront: it explains the scepticism towards Alex Jones found at Stormfront and explains exactly what Poplawski meant when he admitted he wasn't "100%" about Alex Jones.

Clearly, far from opposing Alex Jones' views, Poplawski and the other Stormfronters were debating whether Jones' euphemisms were genuinely anti-semitic or not, whether Jones' world conspiracy was the same Hitlerite Jewish world conspiracy, or not. This is what Poplawski wasn't "100%" about with regard to Alex Jones. To claim Poplawski "opposed" the views of Alex Jones is wilful distortion - Poplawski merely wasn't "100%" that Alex wholly shared the views of the extremists at Stormfront. That is not being opposed to Alex Jones' views.

So, back to Poplawski's best friend's MySpace page and his recommended list of reading material.

The first name in the list is "Civil War II" by Tom Chittum

Little surprise to find Tom Chittum extensively promoted and published at Alex Jones' Prisonplanet:

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Tom Chittum January 23 2004
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_chittum.html

Ft. Dead Puking Buzzard
Tom Chittum December 19 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/121903chittum.html

Millions of Houses Worth Trillions of Dollars. PANT! Pant! Pant!
Tom Chittum December 9 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/120903chittum.html

Fighting Behind a Four-Foot High Wall of Body Bags
Tom Chittum December 3 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/chittum120303.html

The Nukes Are Falling
Tom Chittum November 25 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/chittum112503.html

Thinking About Russia and Nukes
Tom Chittum November 18 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/chittum111903.html

A Depression of Hitherto Unimaginable Severity
Tom Chittum November 6 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/chittum110603.html

What Great Man Will Lead Us?
Tom Chittum October 26 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/chittum102603.html

An Open Letter to Mr. Lyndon LaRouche
Tom Chittum September 30 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/chittum093003.html

BAWK! Mutinous National Guardsmen Go on Looting Spree
Tom Chittum September 22 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_chittum_092203_spree.html

BAWK! Chicken Little Was Right
Thomas Chittum September 15 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_chittum_091503_little.html

Sgt. Skull Opines on the Glorious Imperial Battle Plan
Tom Chittum September 8 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_chittum_090803_plan.html

Achtung! You Are Approaching the Secure Zone
Tom Chittum September1 2003
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_chittum_090103_zone.html

Prisonplanet does not publish authors they disagree with - they do not publish critics - they do not publish opposition.

ETA: Prisonplanet wrote:
There’s no doubt that Poplawski was a neo-nazi and a white supremacist who held distasteful opinions. The fact that such views are a complete 180 from what we write about every day......debunks the ridiculous notion that his shooting rampage was remotely influenced by anything he may have read on our websites.
LINK
Clearly Poplawski's views were not "180 from what Prisonplanet write about every day."

Here's what we can glean about Poplawski's views, which clearly mirror exactly what Prisonplanet "write about every day", minus the obvious anti-semitism of course:
Perkovic said Poplawski....grew angry recently over fears Obama would outlaw guns.
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He said Poplawski feared America was "going to see the end of our times." LINK
Prisonplanet and Alex Jones make such claims frequently as do the public comments posted on the articles
[Poplawski] thought Obama had good press because of his race.
Again, a theme common at Prisonplanet.

This is from Poplawski's posts at the (world's leading) Nazi forum, Stormfront
1. The federal government, mainstream media, and banking system in these United States are strongly under the influence of- if not completely controlled by- Zionist interest.
This is exactly the same as what Alex Jones and Prisonplanet say - though Jones employs the vague and undefined term "New World Order" rather than Zionists. But the problem is, Jones and Prisonplanet never define quite what this New World Order means, and it operates as a substitute for zionsists/jews. Jones can claim it doesn't mean zionists/jews.....but why should we believe him when he links to and promotes Willis Carto's AmericanFreePress, employs AmericanFreePress's Jim Tucker, employs Michael Rivero of WRH, promotes Eustace Mullins, Christopher Bollyn, Tom Chittum, Reverend Pike etc. etc. All these connections and promotions of committed anti-semites (oh - anti-zionists! lol) are far more significant than any denials of anti-semitism Jones might make.
2. An economic collapse of the financial system is inevitable, bringing with it some degree of civil unrest if not outright balkanization of the continental US, civil/revolutionary/racial war, SHTF/TEOTWAKI scenario etc.
Well, that's Prisonplanet's output in a nutshell.
2A. This collapse is likely engineered by the elite Jewish powers that be in order to make for a power and asset grab.
Again, substitute NWO for zionist and we have a phrasing common to Alex Jones' Prisonplanet, indeed one that is ubiquitous to Jones' Prisonplanet, and one that commonly features amongst the readers' comments with the term zionist still attached. Such comments receive no public rebuke in Prisonplanet editorialisng nor in their comment moderation.
One can read the list of significant persons in government and in major corporations and see who is pulling the strings. One can observe the policies and final products and should walk away with little doubt there is Zionist occupation and- after some further research & critical thinking- will discover their insidious intentions.
Again, this is standard Prisonplanet fare, only with the vague and amorphous term NWO replacing Zionist.
I also don’t think there is too much debate about the eventuality of a collapse of economic and social order in this country. All signs seem to point to a once great nation in the midst its last gasp, suffocating under the weight fiscal irresponsibility. Poisoned by design by the moral decadence that is a direct byproduct of item 1.
Poplawski again sounding exactly like Alex Jones. Quotes from Poplawski at Stormfront, recorded here.

Clearly there is no "180" difference between Poplawski's views and those of Prisonplanet - it is difficult to see any essential differences, other than Jones and Prisonplanet employ the vague euphemistic term NewWorldOrder (NWO) instead of the blatant anti-semitism favoured by Poplawski.

13 comments:

Larry said...

You also posted this on PrisonPlanet:

"and so do prisonplanet ‘tardsAlex jones sucks nazi cock"

and you have the nerve to condemn ME for language? ANOTHER of your MANY hypocricies!

Larry said...

and you said this:

"Alex Jones works with Nazis – like Willis CArto

FUCK you prisonplanet cunts – fucking nazi twats"

Nice language

the_last_name_left said...

What about the content, Larry?

You wrote the article for PrisonPlanet claiming Poplawski "opposed" the views of Prisonplanet.

Watson claimed Poplawski's views were "180" from what Prisonplanet writes everyday.

That's all complete disingenuous rubbish - and you know it - or you're an idiot.

You're functioning to protect PrisonPlanet from the condemnation it deserves for punping out thinly-veiled hate that's essentially pro-fascist and providing a mainstream arena for the dissemination of the propaganda of the far-right.

It's all the "same old".

And all you can do is ignore it. Yes - well done. Congratulations on being a propgandist and useful idiot.

Larry said...

I noticed that you didnt DENY you said:

"Alex Jones works with Nazis – like Willis CArto

FUCK you prisonplanet cunts – fucking nazi twats"

"and so do prisonplanet ‘tardsAlex jones sucks nazi cock"

You accused ME of using foul langauge here and you use WORSE language elsewhere. Can you say "hypocritical FRAUD"???

socrates said...

You said those things? If so, you definitely have a dog in the hunt. By the way, Richard Gage is an architect. Maybe instead of linking and quoting from Stormfront, you could take your disinfo or misinfo up a notch and go after opposition of yours with credibility. You said Alex Jones sucks nazi cock? No lefty would make such a blatantly homophobic comment. No true lefty would run interference for Israel's asymmetrical warfare. Yes, to stand up for the dignity of individual Israeli's and Jewish folk around the world, yes, that has been admirable. The schtick about caring about Congo, Rwanda, and all the other hot spots, I don't see even that.... geez, you recently said something to the effect that the Middle East peace process isn't that important. That's the angle the Bush Administration took. It's called a blank check. And you're sticking up for Trausti who funs a fascist forum filled with all the types you say you despise. You clearly do not add up. And the shit with how you place those question marks down even when they are not logically needed is another warning, like they are the sounds of your dog whistle. I'm out of here? Question mark?

socrates said...

I slept on this and have had a catharsis. You liked it when I found Tinoire stating she was military intelligence. Yet, when I pointed out that Rivero worked for McDonnell Douglas, it didn't seem to register the same interest. Fancy that, at a website devoted to exposing Michael Rivero.

Now it's turned into a JREF debunker cult palace. Unfortunately for yourself, you have enabled others to be able to focus in on Sept. 11th anomalies. They will be able to see that the "truther" movement is not all about Willis Carto and his fascist, disinfo network. Harping on Larry about him and architecture enables folks to be able to eventually see that plenty of engineers and architects question the official story. They will be able to see the general pattern that the debunker cultists utilise. They will see, unless you scrub and prune, how fixated you are on right wing websites and your lack of interest in taking "progressive" websites to task; How as an alleged socialist you continue to support a fascist named Trausti; How you support Israel's asymmetrical warfare by downplaying the significance of the Middle East peace process.

They will see how you claim to be so devoted to science, yet it boggles your mind to respond to how cirrus aviaticus forms in 10% relative humidity, that you don't care. Not only do you call the idea of chemtrails kooky, you conflate it with the idea of ghosts. You conflate right wing disinfo with Sept. 11th anomalies. That is your biggest argument against questioning the official story. You give out to Larry for his language, yet you have used even worse language at Prison Planet. You read there and at Stormfront.

You showed up at Tinoire's and asked her a question that I had already covered at my blog, about Go Daddy and proxy domain registrations.

There's a thread at my place called The Phone Call. It's pretty bizarre. It's alleged by one of my former moderators that his workplace received a phone call from someone purporting to be ex-intelligence. The guy says he's up against a foreign government. He mentions Israel. He talks about Parsons of GoDaddy. Just too many coincidences. Like yourself showing up a long time ago at DBS for one post on some chemtrail disinfo clown named Jim Phelps, who may or may not have inspired the show Mission Impossible.

I don't see much politics or socialism here. No lefty would ever support or downplay what is going on in the Middle East.


A convoluted cybersmear script was put in place against me. You somehow showed up and was part of it. I saved the whole web page from the Unofficial forum so it wouldn't go down some memory hole. You've had nothing to say about it. I think the closest was when you mentioned you have seen how I have been attacked. But you downplay the notion that there are "cointelpro" spooks on the net. You do so even when you admit that many of these places don't seem capable of generating revenue for their extensive efforts.

the_last_name_left said...

By the way, Richard Gage is an architect.

I know - and here's where we get to obvious cherry-picking.

Suddenly Gage has authority because he's an architect. Nevermind the hundred of architects, material and construction engineers that say otherwise - we're supposed to just take the view of one architect.

If Gage's view has any credence - then so do other architects - and they say different. But they're all dismissed out of hand. That's called cherry-picking - confirmation bias. And it's done on a grand scale in 911 troof.

You said Alex Jones sucks nazi cock? No lefty would make such a blatantly homophobic comment.

There's nothing homophobic about it.

No true lefty would run interference for Israel's asymmetrical warfare.

i've no idea what that even means.

nevermind turkey's asymmetric warfare against kurds? or sri lanka's against tamils? or whatever other examples one can think of? they don't matter? There's anti-semitism in the assumptions behind such accusations imo.

I find it striking that nobody has ever asked me if I'm congolese, because I don't spend my time on that issue. Or if I support some side in Darfur, or a number of other places I could list. Only Israel EVER gets mentioned in such context. So, of course, I have to be mossad, I have to be asked if I'm Israeli, I have to be working for Israel, I'm an apologist whatever.

I have NEVER been asked those questions about anywhere else.

But of course, that's just more grist to the mill. Like I give a shit?

S: you recently said something to the effect that the Middle East peace process isn't that important.

Did I really?

That's the angle the Bush Administration took.

I'm saving up to send helicopters to israel.

And you're sticking up for Trausti who funs a fascist forum filled with all the types you say you despise.

wrong tense - it WAS. They've gone - to Halfway, and back to Nerdwave etc. Because of me - so they say.

You clearly do not add up.

Whatever.

And the shit with how you place those question marks down even when they are not logically needed is another warning, like they are the sounds of your dog whistle

Ah - I should have known those question marks would have given everything away.

the_last_name_left said...

Unfortunately for yourself, you have enabled others to be able to focus in on Sept. 11th anomalies.

Unfortunately for me? Errr....right.

They will be able to see that the "truther" movement is not all about Willis Carto and his fascist, disinfo network. Harping on Larry about him and architecture enables folks to be able to eventually see that plenty of engineers and architects question the official story. They will be able to see the general pattern that the debunker cultists utilise. They will see, unless you scrub and prune, how fixated you are on right wing websites and your lack of interest in taking "progressive" websites to task; How as an alleged socialist you continue to support a fascist named Trausti; How you support Israel's asymmetrical warfare by downplaying the significance of the Middle East peace process.

Yeah - how awful. Maybe I should have thought of that before I decided to setup a blog, eh? Damn - how silly of me. Now I'm all exposed? Damn!

You can think what you like Socrates.

They will see how you claim to be so devoted to science, yet it boggles your mind to respond to how cirrus aviaticus forms in 10% relative humidity, that you don't care.

Errr - when I see something about "chemtrails" being a real phenomenon I'll recognise it as a real phenomenon. Until then it goes in with ghosts and stuff.

I'm not at all interested.

You conflate right wing disinfo with Sept. 11th anomalies. That is your biggest argument against questioning the official story.

Question it all you like. But questions are easy - when it comes to making a reasonable hypothesis for a conspiracy - there's nothing.

And the far-right are deeply involved in 911 Troof. So much of what people believe to be "facts" about 911 have come through the fascist propaganda network and are politically motivated disinfo. Believe what you want.

You showed up at Tinoire's and asked her a question that I had already covered at my blog, about Go Daddy and proxy domain registrations.

And you were the only person on that case? Sure.....

you downplay the notion that there are "cointelpro" spooks on the net.

No - there's just next to nothing you can do about it. You think you're going to find a website with a list of cointelpro people listed on it?

Nonsense. There's absolutely no way hunting around on the internet is going to prove it. All anyone can do is point out bullshit - and that's what I'm doing. Don't like it? Piss off?

the_last_name_left said...

Who says you aren't cointelpro / disinfo? Can you prove you're not?

See - easy game to play.

All you can do is judge people by what they say. The content. If people are out to feed disinfo, they have to end up talking bullshit.

Accusations against people of being cointelpro are just that - accusations. That can be seen as beneficial to discreditors - look at 911 Troof and all the accusations amongst themselves. They just end up looking silly. Why would I want to join in with that when there's no way to prove it. You're welcome to - but I'll stick what I consider is provable - that 911 Troof "movement" is riddled with fascism.

No - that doesn't mean all people who have concerns about 911 are fascists. But I don't doubt that most of those people would be horrified to find the extent of fascist penetration of their "cause", and would realise they really need to reassess what they believe they know, considering so many of their trusted sources are essentially crypto-fascists.

The politics of the Israeli / Palestine conflict don't come into it.

socrates said...

I'm not gonna copy and paste what you write and go point by point. It turns into spam. That's also a classic debunker cultist methodology. It turns off the reader and gets nowhere. It also shows what you ignore, and the good readers can see that.

True progressives do not post homosexual imagery as a debate point. I see you have changed your avatar away from the Tony Blair one where he looks gay. You've also deleted the stuff you wrote about Larry which was present in every posting box. First you wrote derogatory terms about him. Then you changed it to more civil debate points. I thought he was way out of line at first for using bad language. But now it is clear why he did. You provoked him.

Richard Gage isn't the only engineer or architect with serious questions about Sept. 11th anomalies. You're the one cherry picking and then not playing fair by not debunking him. I'm not gonna say you use word trickery, but you certainly do use a good dose of sophistry and philosophy to mock who you call troofers.

I'm not gonna track down the one post of yours where it seemed you downplayed Israel's atrocities. It doesn't take much to come out strong against their asymmetrical warfare. The other countries, I agree can be just as bad even worse. But the Middle East is a crucial hot spot. You shouldn't downplay that. Silence can be a form of running interference. You look like an idiot saying these points of mine hint of anti-semitism. You are a broken record. Israel is mentioned with yourself because you talk about anti-semitism so much without clarifying your position. No one asks you where you're from because you already said you're from Wales.

Saying you're saving up to send helicopters to Israel in response to my solid point about the Bush Administration's apathy towards the Middle East process shows how you play just like any other debunker cultist.

No one can know what is going on at Trausti's because it is hidden. No one can know how long he allowed neonazis to dominate his forum.

Yes, it's unfortunate for you to have shifted the focus on Sept. 11th anomalies such as the put options and surviving passports. You always eventually say so what, where can one go with it. You made a post before, and again, I'm not gonna track it down, would be too time consuming, but you said that if the passports were found, it would be bizarre. So how come there was all that molten metal or steel stewing months after the tragic day? Tons of your credible witnesses heard explosions. Oh well, this isn't really my subject, and you have an answer for everything.

socrates said...

You continue to equate chemtrails with ghosts. Yet you can't even answer one simple debate point, how cirrus aviaticus forms in 10% relative humidity. Even if you were to look into it, you may say I'm lying. Or you'll say you don't care, or so what, where does one go with it. And just because you do not add up, I haven't said I am sure you are a disinfo writer, agent provocateur type. Yet, where is your commentary on Michael Rivero having worked for McDonnell Douglas, the largest military contractor at that time? This blog is completely devoted to exposing him, yet I provided you with a choice nugget, and you provided the sound of crickets chirping.

You're not interested in covert weather modification going on if it can be proven, which I have done through the radiosonde readings? Isn't that special? Not very democratic of you. Where is your stuff on Darfur, Congo, and the like. I've only seen that from you in regards to downplaying the Israeli Government atrocities.

Questions are easy? I guess so in regards to yourself and the annoying overuse of the question mark.



The far right is very interested in spreading anti-semitism through Sept. 11th. But then again, that type of thing isn't going on too much if at all at Democratic Underground and other places. But you spend your time at Stormfront and Prison Planet. You say the "progressive" forums are too centrist. But you also say you like to mix it up with right wingers, as you'd simply be nodding in agreement with those "progressive" domains. So what is it, are those places too centrist, or you would find it too boring to nod in agreement with them? It can't be both.

No, I haven't been the only person to use the whois to ask questions about websites. But you were cybersmeared as being my sock puppet or vice versa. I used to be a regular at PI until Tinoire lied about me making up the thing about Virgil using the phrase Jewboy. That's another recent thing I put together that you had no comment on. You have no comment on Tinoire claiming we are the same person. You've had next to nothing to say about what went down at the Unofficial forum. I don't believe you've ever thanked me for saving the web pages and documenting what really happened, no pun intended.

The good people into Sept. 11th anomalies do not use Rivero and other neonazis as trusted sources. You are truly a broken record. And the Israeli-Palestinian conflict does have a lot to do with the side of the issue that you conflate. Maybe if you came out strongly against the atrocities, you'd have more credibility.

the_last_name_left said...

Attack all you like, I'll leave it stand ie I won't delete it.

But I'll treat as what it is - attack.

Based on........nothing at all, imo.

I'm grateful to be attacked. I like criticism - I welcome it. I don't claim perfection - just integrity for what I am. I KNOW what I am, and what I'm doing. Of course, like anyone else, I am open to judgement outside of what I believe about myself - never take anyone by their own judgement of themselves. But I know what I do, where I come from, and what I am, better than anyone else in the universe can know.

Feel free to judge.

the_last_name_left said...

you talk about anti-semitism so much without clarifying your position.

BINGO

That's the point. I don't have to have a position.