Thursday, 6 August 2009

Larry the Architect - Tourette's

A taste of Larry Simon's debating technique:

"What happened Turd?

Hey moron......

by the way Turd.....

...assholes like you.

DUMBFUCK!

TURD

Youre a fucking MORON.

I ask you TURD.....

I ask you thi also TURD....

I told you assface....

...fucktard...

First of all dickhead.......

Youre a MORON.

The Turd has the answer.....

You are a MORON.

God, youre a fucking MORON!

God you are SOOOO fucking DUMB!

You are STUUUUUUUUPID!!!

DUMBFUCK!

WHAT AN ASSHOLE!!

By the way, IDIOT.

Tell me something MORON......

MORON!!!!!!!!!

MORON!!!

post THIS video...MORON

Watch it MORON

Hey Turd.....

--fucktard.

Shit stain!

TURD:

So, I ask you Turd......

Goodbye Turd....I win.

The Turd

....Turd?

....The Turd....

....asshole.....you stupid asshole.....

....you look like a colossal FAG....

You are a COMPLETE fucking MORON!

Turd

...fuckweed.

...stupid fucking braindead troll.

Hey assfuck.

youre just some faggoty looking dickface NOBODY from the UK!


etc etc etc
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All that (and more) in about a week.

Amusingly Larry had earlier justified his deletion of my (civil and relevant) comments at his blog by claiming:
Larry: Apparently you either didnt read or CANT read my disclaimer right above my posting box. It clearly says comments COULD be deleted if you are there just to be a provocateur or in your case, a TROLL.
31 July 2009 23:05
Elaborating on this 'principle' Larry then said:
I never DENIED I deleted your comment. I DENIED I CENSORED you. Two VERY different things. When you fail to abide by my EASY rules of my blog, I have the right to do what I want.

Nope, I NEVER admitted I censor. Deleting your comment that I had WARNED you about IN ADVANCE is NOT censoring.

your pea brain refuses to follow this:If Im making a documentary and youre in one segment and PRIOR to the filming, I ask you not to use profanity and when I film you DO cuss, and then I edit it out later, that is NOT censoring, because you failed to obey my rules. Got it now, faggot??

01 August 2009 01:57
But my comments were civil, and relevant. But yes, I got it, Larry. By Larry's own standards I am perfectly entitled to shut him up, having asked him to improve his attitude and his language, or face banishment. He's had a week to improve, and he simply hasn't. Larry has problems, obviously, and I've endured more than enough of them.

This whole site is now littered with examples of Larry's lack of integrity. Picking just one example, Larry wrote:
Larry: Funny how people are NOT experts or architects when they cant answer hard questions, but when they are trying to PROVE their points they become instant experts.
The simple fact is, Larry was asked repeatedly if he were an architect, and he refused to answer. I had offered the information I am no architect and have no relevant expertise, without being asked: I am happy to rely on evidence and explanations provided by experts. What other choice do non-experts have? It is Larry that rejects expert advice, and refuses to acknowledge his own lack of expertise. He repeatedly refused to answer the simple question whether he was an architect or not - or whether he had any relevant expertise or not. Doubtless Larry would not have hesitated to make such claims if he could.
Larry: Another tactic of yours is using certain arguments against ME (like saying youre not an architect) and then making "expert" claims in the very next sentence.
But it's you that refuses to answer whether you are an architect, Larry, and you whom implicitly claims "expertise". Larry wrote:
The ONLY thing that would cause a perfect symmetrical collapse is perfectly leveled weakness all around the building at the very same level and the very same time.
...says Larry the architect.

Larry is an expert in firefighting too:
Larry: WTC 7 had very small sporadic fires that burned for 8 hours tops. They were routine fires in any firemans handbook.
Nevermind the myriad testimony otherwise of firefighters on the scene, photographic evidence, NIST reports, the consensus amongst architects, the firefighters unions etc etc etc.

And whilst Larry rightly claims,"it takes weeks to rig a building to do it [demolition]," he nevertheless appears to believe WTC was demolished by causes other than the fires and debris damage. Larry claims, "...one thing IS for sure, fire ALONE did NOT cause that collapse.." and "WTC 7 collapsed with minimal fires and damage but the others did not."

To quote Larry again
Not an "architect" but somehow you KNOW this huh??
Pot - Kettle - Black. The point is architects and experts, including eye-witnesses, do not support the demolition theory. Simple. My position is one that recognises what the architects do say - Larry's position is to claim the architects are wrong, or liars?

Larry's argument about 911 conspiracy has appeared to rest upon WTC7. He asked
Also, name ONE building that has ever suffered a UNIVERSAL COLLAPSE when damaged by objects or fires---name ONE. Note: I said UNIVERSAL collapse---meaning the whole fucking building, straight to the ground. Name ONE....ONE.
So whilst Larry insists that "no other building has ever suffered total collapse like WTC7", he overlooks the fact that the twin towers had suffered that exact fate only hours before! He even admits it:
Larry: The ONLY building to collapse that day outside of the twin towers was [WTC7] the FARTHEST building away from any of the buildings that suffered great damage.
So that's three in one day......not none, ever. And whilst Larry demands proof of other buildings that have suffered total collapse he ignores the Twin Towers themselves. Of course, to sustain Larry's argument, he would need to argue the TwinTowers were also demolished. But, again, there is simply no evidence to support such claims, and whilst WTC7 would take much work to be prepared for such a well-executed "demolition" - as Larry admits - the Twin Towers would each require preparation for demolition on a scale several orders greater than that required for WTC7. How these remarkable feats of demolition were supposedly achieved remains unaddressed - and 8 years later we still have absolutely no positive evidence to support the (ridiculous) idea.

So, how the demolitions were achieved is simply never addressed by the conspiracists - or Larry. Not a single detonator or piece of cord, or explosive charge has EVER been found. Absent the least bit of physical evidence for demolition, conspiracism therefore has to step into the realms of fantasy - "super nano-thermite", or space rays, or some other obvious nonsense. Prove it wasn't destroyed by aliens using a space-ray? Hmmm - tricky. This just isn't the way marshalling evidence works. See Bertrand Russell's "Tea-pot orbiting Jupiter" example.

Larry preferred to simply take the route of avoiding positing any hypothesis at all - presumably because he knows there is absolutely no positive evidence for any other hypothesis: it is the total lack of any positive evidence which makes alternative hypothesis unsustainable. Such a position contrasts with conspiracists simple outright rejection of the huge amounts of positive evidence for the obvious hypothesis. The evidence for planes, explosions and fires is huge - but it nevertheless fails to satisfy Larry, and the other Troofers. They are sceptics, right? However, the total absence of any positive evidence for any other hypothesis does nothing to hinder the conspiracists' faith in it. That's intellectual bankcruptcy and it's fraudulent.

ETA Feb2011 - Larry has pulled the same stunt again - swamped my blog in vitriol and then complaining when I ban him, after about 20 warnings. Larry is now deleting my comments at his blog which simply point out why he was banned. Larry has issues.

http://realtruthonline.blogspot.com/2011/02/fraud-alert-my-posts-are-deleted-under.html

16 comments:

Larry said...

and yet comment moderation is STILL in effect at The Gestapo.blogspot.com!! Ha ha! By the way, you say I have issues? Look how many posts you have posted about me---obviously YOU are more hot and bothered about this than ME---so WHO has the issues?

How many posts have I done about you? ZERO. Know why? Because youre insignificant. Youre an EX-truther who was probably done wrong by someone in the movement. Someone who probably rejected you as a writer or didnt ask you to go along to an event. Or you wasnt included in a documentary. Its quite amusing to sit back and watch you implode over all of this and put up posts about me. I laugh my head off every time you do it.

At first I was happy because I thought it would add more traffic to my blog, but since your total viewership is 3 views a week and I get 3 views in about 5 minutes on my blog, then it doesnt matter.

By the way, I did an Alexa search and my blog is at 4 million in popularity----I realize thats very unpopular but its very good considering Im not a famous person and just a regular guy---but its very high compared to YOUR blog. Youre at 14 million in popularity. Im 10 million notches higher than you.

Keep up the stories on me----I love them. Its fun watching your head explode, even if online. LOL. I have already got the best of you by making you resort to the very thing you tore me down for----censoring---and I NEVER put up comment moderation---like YOU did.

Youre a hypocritical FRAUD.

"Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author."---Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!! I LOVE IT.

the_last_name_left said...

Why should I put with your bullshit, Larry? Look at all those comments? Why would anyone be remotely interested in listening to that rubbish?

The difference is, you have proven yourself a foul-mouthed troll. So you left me no choice. You, on the other hand, deleted my civil and relevant responses - after my 3rd post.

You understand the difference? no - seemingly not. So why should I bother to indulge you......no reason to...you've added nothing except swearing.

Are you an architect, Larry? Remember that question, posed to you over and over? You never answered. You just avoided it - just like you avoid addressing why you link to Willis Carto's rubbish, or what it means that Alex Jones uses Willis Carto's rubbish, or why he employs Willis Carto's employee Big Jim Tucker, and Mike Rivero etc etc etc.

So what is the point in engaging with you over it, when you refuse to address it?

That, coupled with your foul-mouthed nonsense means you NEED moderation, Larry. It's an indictment of you, not me.

the_last_name_left said...


Willis Carto's Spotlight




Willis Allison Carto (July 17, 1926) is a longtime figure on the American far right. He describes himself as Jeffersonian and populist, but is primarily known for his promotion of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial.



Willis Carto has been one of the most influential American anti-Semitic propagandists of the past 50 years. Since emerging as a right-wing organizer in San Francisco in the early 1950s, he has been associated with nearly every significant far-right movement in the country, from neo-Nazism to militias, segregationism to Holocaust denial. Known for his reclusiveness, he has founded and overseen from behind the scenes an intricate network of bigotry whose outlets have included Liberty and Property, Western Destiny, the Noontide Press, American Mercury, National Youth Alliance, the Institute for Historical Review, the Populist Party and, most notably, Liberty Lobby. In 2001, both Carto and Liberty Lobby were bankrupted after Carto lost a long court battle with the Institute for Historical Review (which broke with him in 1993). His editorial staff at Liberty Lobby's now-defunct Spotlight, the most widely read publication on the fringe right, resumed publication under the title American Free Press in August 2001, however. And while Carto is in his 70s and financially constrained, his energy for purveying paranoia and hatred appears to be undiminished.


In 1988, a United States federal appeals court ruled that the Wall Street Journal did not libel Liberty Lobby when calling it "far-right" and "anti-Semitic." Writing for the court, Judge Robert H. Bork stated, "We tend to agree with a district court that if the term 'anti-Semitic' has a core, factual meaning, then the truth of the description was proved here."

Carto quotes: Hitler's defeat was the defeat of Europe. And America. How could we have been so blind? The blame, it seems, must be laid at the door of the international Jews. It was their propaganda, lies and demands which blinded the West as to what Germany was doing.
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The Communists are "using" the Jews we are told ... who was "using" the Jews fifty years ago - one hundred or one thousand years ago. History supplies the answer. The Jews came first and remain Public Enemy No. 1.
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In fact, no objective Scholar can deny today that the world would be a far better place to live if Germany had won - even if it had meant the defeat of American arms!
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socrates said...

The irony is that despite declaring your website as insignificant, Larry has felt the need to dominate. And he never answered why he doesn't put in apostrophes. It's obvious if he had stopped with the name calling and just chilled out, you were gonna let him post. The difference between himself and people like us is we don't continue with ad hominems. Once in a while, yeah, it's gonna happen. But not to the extent this dude was going at it.

Comment moderation isn't a bad thing. That way no one can cheat and slip problematic posts into your archives. What you could do, is if someone wanted to be a regular, you could add them as a contributor. I don't think they'd be able to get into the admin panel. Or you could start a forum, where it's easier to keep track of new posts.

Have you seen this one? There are some "truthers" who are saying the same stuff as yourself. They're also saying that there are "believers" who don't buy into that network of hate sites. Scroll down and see what was posted on Carto's Barnes Review. "Adolph Hitler- an overlooked candidate for the Nobel Prize... If anyone deserved the Nobel Peace Prize, it was Adolph Hitler."

See, guys like this and Rivero and even their followers never own up to the obvious. We are not brain surgeons. The only thing I can't figure out is why haven't more people exposed this racket. But we've done our part. And maybe the mysterious S. Boyle is Susan? That would be neato.

Larry said...

There's anti-semiticism in the BIBLE! Your point???

the_last_name_left said...

That's an interesting page, Socrates. I've seen that website before, but I don't know if I've seen that page before.

I can only say I respect them for trying to separate the issues - Truth over Troof.

I don't agree with the conspiracy angle on 911 anymore, but that page goes some way to showing the way forward for any resurgent truth movement: to clearly distinguish itself from the entryism of fascism.

Ironic that 911 Truth was itself hijacked? lol

Amazing that anyone can imagine Hitler was deserving of a Nobel Prize. Can such people manage to dress themselves and keep clean? Little wonder they end up going out shooting people and/or themselves.......it must be impossible to make sense of the world like that, and how they can keep their mind is difficult to imagine. Well, clearly they've already lost them if they think like that.

As for moderation, I'm deeply against it - but, I'll post any comments, even if they're deeply critical. But doubtless, the subject matter being what it is, and nazis being what they are, it was bound to happen to sooner or later, if anyone showed up at all.

I have some experience of dealing with nazis from my time at Trausti's - and quite obviously they don't play by the rules.

It left a deep impression on me - touching upon a real darkness of character that I'd not come across before. A very strange, very powerful malevolence. Very disturbing.

There was a period of several months which were very intense, and which eventually fractured our forum community. I was 'blamed' for fracturing it, of course - because I was actually confronting the issue that our anti-war, 911 truth-group was suffering from proto-fascism, and was anti-socialist and anti-semitic. The few of us who considered ourselves socialist (essentially just myself and Trausti) and the liberal types had been blinded by sharing common cause with (what turned out to be) a bunch of reactionaries and even racists and fascists.

Working through the arguments - which became incredibly vicious - led to a total fracture, but it was very positive in so far as it flushed out and expunged the fascist elements. It was a fabulous learning process, in retrospect, allowed me to work through loads of issues, and helped clarify crucial differences between "Truth" and "Troof". Only with great difficulty did I begin to see and recognise how subtle and pernicious the fascist elements were - and how such distinctions can be so hard to spot.

So, I guess I can imagine how difficult it is going to be for 911 Troof to do it, right across the movement. It's going to be too difficult, I imagine. And tbh I don't think there's the political nous amongst the membership to achieve it. But I just don't think even the inclination to attempt the task exists - it's already far too firmly steeped in proto-fascism. IMO there's almost no demarcation line between them. And if they did attempt it, what would be left?

So - I don't think the 911 movement is up to it. Nor do I think it has the inclination to attempt it. I think it's going to rattle on, and increasingly just morph into another aspect of (essentially anti-semitic) far-right, paranoid, white-populism.

the_last_name_left said...

Larry said...

There's anti-semiticism in the BIBLE! Your point???


Actually I wonder what your point is.

Because there's anti-semitism in the Bible, that makes it ok in 911 Troof? Really?

And in nazism? Nazi anti-semitism is fine too, because it's in the bible?

This is coming from someone who claims agnosticism?

And there was me imagining Larry as some delicate, emotional child-of-the-universe, lamenting the crude hate of people for skin colour, creed, culture and history; weeping over the lost potential of people scorned by the arrogant, working tirelessly to bring justice to the downtrodden, hope to the disenfranchised........and you let me down.

Larry said...

"This is coming from someone who claims agnosticism?"

Youre an idiot---because I use the Bible to make my point, that doesnt say I BELIEVE the Bible. God, youre a retard. The Bible is supposed to be the WORD OF GOD, and if its filled with antisemiticism, whats that say? If there's antisemiticism in the Bible, it cant be all THAT bad right?

THAT was my point.

By the way, Im NOT an Zionist--and if you believe the Bible is literal or even true----well, that speaks volumes of how truly nutty you are.

socrates said...

I think you are using a logical fallacy or something like that to argue against 9/11 anomalies. That there is a lot of junk like pods, holograms, fakery on tv, etc. does not mean the official story washes. I'm not saying that is your main argument, but it does seem to be the main thrust of it. I take it the opposite way. For there to be so much junk put it into it to me implies that it is some form of tinfoil by association. I have taken a similar approach to that website in regards to weather modification. I haven't read through that place, nor do I really care to get into 9/11. But it's true that anyone advocating or presenting any argument needs to make sure their house is in order. Associations do matter.

Now do The Barnes Review and Carto truly believe Hitler was a great man? I'm not so quick to take what they are saying on face value. I nailed a so-called chemtrail believer using a sock puppet to make fun of chemtrails. That to me shows probable cause of spookery.

I don't think you should move any of Larry's posts. There is too much scrubbing and pruning going on as it is on the net. His posts also show for the historical record what has gone on at your place the last weeks. He can crow about owning you or that you are a hypocrite or whatever. But it is cool that you are not allowing him to truly own your blog and distort its decor. I'm not sure where he gets the data to claim you only get three viewers a week. One thing I don't like about blogspot is anyone with a blogger id can delete their posts. That happened at my blogspot. Some twit deleted all her posts, so there is now on one thread about ten to fifteen straight posts with myself interacting with deleted ones. That was rude of her. If you're gonna post have the fortitude to either retract or clarify or apologise or something but don't delete it. I had some stuff at my forum I deleted. But I only did it because may41970 was whining about it.

I must say that when I first heard of Trausti's through yourself, I noticed the so-called patriots and neonazis clogging up the area. That was one of the reasons I had some doubts about yourself. Plus, when I had my hissy fit at all aircraft have wings, Trausti showed up, and he appeared to be some prolific chemtrail debunker named JazzRoc. I also never understood why you kept popping up where I was and yes as you pointed out on another thread here, your one post at DBS on Jim Phelps did throw me for a loop. You see, I never could really figure out where the cybersmear was originating from and who was the copycat. Now I think they are all from the same core of disinfo fockers. I have alluded the key link before. It originates from the moderator from Rigorous Intuition, who also used to be a moderator at Chemtrail Central. He's the one who banned me from RI before making one post. Then it links up to Tinoire and eventually to BradBlog after starting out with the chemmies and the neonazis from WRH Unofficial.

I do not trust Trausti one bit. Any forum that is closed to public view is a joke. No one should have to sign up to a forum to see its contents. Plus, that is simply unfair to people like yourself who have made thousands of posts, and now they can no longer be viewed by masses of people. It makes me think Trausti is some form of disinfo. That he is a limited hangout for critiquing Rivero. Kind of like with Bradford Smith all of a sudden being Mr. Jew lover with his fake separation from the obvious anti-semitism. I am not a conspiracy theorist for the most part. But I do see trends with the net, and I have come up with a lot of circumstantial and more solid evidence to show that more likely than not the internet is rigged and gamed.

I do think you're wrong to dismiss normal sounding "truthers" who are nice people. Like I've said, I'm not too into this topic. However, if someone like yourself interacted with the normal people, then I'd probably be into it. That's how I first thought the net was like. Now I sincerely believe that the majority of posts and websites are fake.

the_last_name_left said...

S; For there to be so much junk put it into it [911] to me implies that it is some form of tinfoil by association.

y - fair point. I tend to see it another way, specifically that the conspiracy angle serves to deflect attention away from Bushco's very real negligence. 911 conspiracy functions as a distraction, splits opposition, and serves to discredit very real complaints with Bushco's negligence.

Talking about space-rays destroying towers serves to discredit complaints about Bushco's forewarning and inaction.

The conspiracies also imply that america is uber powerful - and the attacks succeeded only because Bushco willed them to do so......and could have been easily prevented otherwise..I think the subtext of that is a falsely reassuring one. And a little racist, nationalist, whatever.

Plus it denies the (imo very real) resistance to Americana and capitalism rising in the world - and implies all the things america has done that generate opposition haven't had any effect. Why drain the swamp if there isn't even a swamp?

That's why I went back to re-read Hitchens again......to see what he says about the swamp. I still think he's wrong in his militarism.....I think that's adding to the swamp, as it were, but I have more sympathy with his view than I did. If US/Western power is remade, even into some uber-liberal or leftie relationship with mid east and islam generally - would that actually have any impact on radical islam? Would it just be rolling over and submitting? I don't think so.....but.....what do I know? I think it's complacent and idealist to just imagine it'd be so.....and the most enlightened western values can come under attack from anywhere. Soviet Russia was invaded by 18 states or something following the revolution - and had to fight a bitter civil war. Not things I'm into, but.......if that's reality, one's wishes for a different reality hardly matter?

At the very least, if one is serious, Hitchens' view has to be acknowledged, and addressed with more than hope and blind faith. And I respect him for having taken a very unpopular position in opposition to almost all his old comrades.

S: anyone advocating or presenting any argument needs to make sure their house is in order. Associations do matter.

yes. note the conspiracy method - their associations mean nothing - it's "guilt by association". But they assert that attending a meeting means someone is part of NWO, totally buys into whatever the conspiracists claim was the purpose of a meeting etc etc. Ultimately if someone is a jew, the rest follows. The conspiracists don't believe that's "guilt by association".

Just like anything not agreeing with all the crap prionplanet puts out is "a hit piece" - any criticism is "a libellous smear" etc etc. BTW I love seeing these anti-state libertarian grand-standers always threaten to sue for libel. LOL

the_last_name_left said...

S: Trausti showed up, and he appeared to be some prolific chemtrail debunker named JazzRoc.

Well, Trausti has always been very good at defending me - but seemingly more because he's defending what we stand for. We don't always see eye to eye, but.....he has been good at defending me, and he does have a long track record of being on the right (ie left) side.

It is a shame the place isn't open to public, but on the other hand, the place gets flooded with porn spam whenever it has been opened up.

And he has been very kind to me.....so, I don't see a reason to be suspicious tbh. In ways he is a real warrior.....watch him attack things he despises? He's very strongly anti-racist too, though his anti-israeli sentiment could sometimes suggest otherwise.

I'm gonna stop there.....I'm all typed out. Interesting post though, Socrates, I could go on and on in reply to it.

S: I also never understood why you kept popping up where I was

Because we were pursuing parallel paths i guess :) And there aren't limitless places to go?

S: and yes as you pointed out on another thread here, your one post at DBS on Jim Phelps did throw me for a loop.

LOL. I bet. Strange - you'd think the internet would be too big a place for that to happen?

S; One thing I don't like about blogspot is anyone with a blogger id can delete their posts.

yes, I only realised that the other day - so I saved all the pages. :) I used to do it habitually, because I got fed up with even BBC changing their content. I've got CDs full of stuff somewhere......

S: It originates from the moderator from Rigorous Intuition, who also used to be a moderator at Chemtrail Central. He's the one who banned me from RI before making one post. Then it links up to Tinoire and eventually to BradBlog after starting out with the chemmies and the neonazis from WRH Unofficial.

hehe - what a tale? I'm not surprised you are suspicious of everywhere......

I do think you're wrong to dismiss normal sounding "truthers" who are nice people.

yeah, sure. I still disagree with them, and I don't really know of any that don't buy into the whole "it's the jews" and/or nazi crap.

anyways.......i'm gonna stop there. i blab on and on.

socrates said...

Thanks for the kind words.

My problem with Trausti's isn't that guests can't post. It's that no one can see what is there without signing up. To make it worse, he forces people to post, or he will delete their accounts. I can see how you believe in him, and there's no point in getting into that. Man, I have burned so many times, it is tough to believe in anyone.

I don't see much talk of Israel at the Democratic Underground's Sept. 11th forum. What I do see is two sides talking over each other with ridicule. One side is from the JREF forum. The other tends to be over the top tinfoil.

You're right with the parallel paths. The only one that was a real coincidence was DBS. Tinoire's and WRH unofficial were predictable. Probably even Rigorous Intuition. I agree there are not as many big blogs out there as thought. In fact, I never heard of Trausti's until you told me about it. That was when I started to take a second look at your sincerity. Of course, you showing up at CTC was in order to confront me, and you had every right to do so. I think I did a good job responding. I think I showed you that I just felt offended on the one issue, and that it had nothing to do with anything else.

I was actually amazed to find out that Tinoire was affiliated with Velvet Revolution-BradBlog. There's something tremendously fishy coming out of that place. Sibel Edmonds has popped up there as a regular. She is also coming out left and right with new allegations of being gagged. My take is that on lefty type blogs, suspicious sensational ideas are being propagated. It makes one wonder how the heck Edmonds could have so much information from her gig as a translator. This is only the tip of the iceberg. One of my claims to fame has been going through archives. This is nothing new under the sun. I could ramble on with tons of stuff for why I believe there is a tinfoil by association campaign. Last night I took a peek at CTC. Two posts stood out, and it's the kind of stuff you are aware of. One dude linked to a new bill and said it is for creating internment camps. But if one goes to the actual source, it is an attempt at creating emergency centers for natural disasters. Another person posted a link for an ad for alleged FEMA camp interment guards. Yet again, however, if you go to the actual source, another real one, it is for prison guards for military prisoners. Things may seem focked up, but no way is America like Nazi Germany or anything like that. The fascism here is much more subtle. American democracy is an illusion. You take away the mirage, and then there will be riots and whatnot. That's what makes such posts so ludicrous. They fly against all reason. It's like folks who say "chemtrails" are for depopulation, mind control, and weather wars. That's crazy. I've always believed that if chemtrails are real, they have to do with climate change and loss of ozone protection. It's only been over the last year or two that I've lost any doubt that fake clouds are being created. I know you're not into it and don't believe it is truly deliberate. But today we have more of it, and where these fake clouds are, the relative humidity is at 10% or less. The cirrus aviaticus defies the laws of physics. Hey, maybe a lot of Sept. 11th can be explained. It's not really my topic. But for the weather modification, I've truly looked into it. Oh well, I'll try not to mention it again on your blog. I've made my point and should leave it at that.

{continued}

socrates said...

You wouldn't believe the amount of crap I've had dumped on me. But I'm pretty sure anyone sincere who has followed some of my blogging can see that I am for real. I've even come up with original stuff as a cybersleuth. My days at really going after it have dwindled down. I've had the heart of a boxing champion. They knocked me down, but I got up each time from the canvas. Like I've said before, such elements would be better off just ignoring people like us. It's not like we're allowed to post at the places we have exposed. Most of the other websites around we could post at, they wouldn't have a clue.


Hmmm. Larry is proud to be in the 4 millionth slot according to Alexa. No wonder I've never heard of him. Take it easy. It's probably a coin flip which of us can outramble the other. :)

the_last_name_left said...

lol - @ the rambling thing.

As for the proving of being "real" - I think just keeping going being real is the best way.

I've had lots of detractors, and countless accusations of being mossad, or CIA, or god knows what. But just keep going......."You think I ain't for fucking real! Fine - what about this, and this, and this, and this........."

Sure, being discredited is real too......but....just keep saying the same things. It's about the content anyway, right? The ideas - their content - the meaning. I have a lot of faith in that.

S: You wouldn't believe the amount of crap I've had dumped on me.

Well, I've seen quite a bit. :) It concerned me that your purpose might be to include me in that......that's why I was intent on making the distinction when I was included as being one of your nyms.

I don't hold any animosity towards you for that now. I was very angry at the time, but......no harm done, and it wasn't your fault, so....

Funny - as in odd - that chemtrail stuff seems so loaded with intrigue like that. That's what i found beguiling about that thread years ago....it's odd.

And yes, Trausti's place was pretty insignificant in the scheme of things.....even more so after I'd had my crusade against the nazis. lol

Originally it had been linked to direct from WRH frontpage.....I think I helped put paid to that. hehe. No surprise I found myself surrounded by far-right conservatives and neo-nazis. I found the site being linked to at Stormfront and such like. TBH I don't know how Trausti got to know Rivero (email contact only, i was told). I guess Trausti just asked him to put a link up for what was originally an MSN group discussion board - where i first came across the place.

Somehow I've never found the large boards very interesting - they're american, and centrist ie pretty dull.

I was actually amazed to find out that Tinoire was affiliated with Velvet Revolution-BradBlog. There's something tremendously fishy coming out of that place. Sibel Edmonds has popped up there as a regular.

Really? I'm not sure about Sibel Edmonds - as you say, she seems to have a lot to contribute considering she was a translator.

She's used by the 911 crowd as some sort of proof of conspiracy - yet if you actually read her stuff she doesn't say that at all - at least not in the way truthers suggest she does. She's been gagged for one thing, apparently, so who in hell knows what she's supposed to be claiming?

SFAIK what she says implicates Turkey. And drug dealing. A long way from the usual truther memes. but it's very hard to know what she is saying exactly - because she can't/won't.

I'm suspicious of her, as I am of anyone that is making a career out of "secret stuff" that they "can't tell anyone."

S: I could ramble on with tons of stuff for why I believe there is a tinfoil by association campaign.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that. Care to clarify?

:)

the_last_name_left said...

S: Things may seem focked up, but no way is America like Nazi Germany or anything like that. The fascism here is much more subtle.

One thing Neiwert is good at is making clear that fascism, as an ultra-nationalist movement, has national characteristics, and should be expected to differ even quite significantly dependent upon the character of the particular nationalism. Makes sense. So I guess a knowledge of american culture would be necessary to accurately spot incipient american fascism. it'd likely be christian? And have a preponderance of "individualist" and "libertarian" themes?

S: But for the weather modification, I've truly looked into it. Oh well, I'll try not to mention it again on your blog. I've made my point and should leave it at that.

I certainly wouldn't want you to feel you can't mention it - you can - but it isn't something I am going to be able to offer any response to.

S: such elements would be better off just ignoring people like us.

They can't? :)

Personally I don't know if I make any difference - but on the other hand, how can it not?

I do feel a slight sense of achievement when Rivero and Prisonplanet seem to feel a need to publish stories which seem blatant efforts at deflecting criticism of their being far-right.

But when they do, and I suspect they'll do it increasingly - it puts them in an even more difficult position.

Todays(?) prisonplanet article for example, on how people are being encouraged to report gang crime etc - they paint it as a scheme to nazify america - -they call tptb "crpto-nazis". LOL.

I posted a load of comments on the story - there were 280 comments on the story! Every post of mine pointing out how Nazi Joe Fields hosted Willis Carto's AFP conference, and how Jones publishes AFP stuff and employs Tucker, was totally ignored. On they go - shouting "Wake up america!!" whilst ignoring the obvious problems of Alex's linking to fascists etc.

amazing. maybe all the comments are invented by a machine?

the_last_name_left said...

Larry: Youre an idiot---because I use the Bible to make my point, that doesnt say I BELIEVE the Bible. God, youre a retard. The Bible is supposed to be the WORD OF GOD, and if its filled with antisemiticism, whats that say? If there's antisemiticism in the Bible, it cant be all THAT bad right?

THAT was my point.


So anti-semitism isn't that bad, because it's in the bible? LOL.
What a ridiculous argument. Even if you believed the bible to be literally true, you'd still be making a stupid argument. And seeing as you claim to be an agnostic, it's even more crazy as an argument.

This is the way you approach evidence for 911? No wonder you think the towers were brought down by a space-ray......wielded by UFO's piloted by Yetis.