Banned again - from a post complaining about censorship!

Rys2Cents.....or Rys2Censor more appropriately.....is at it again: complaining about "censorship" whilst engaging in it himself.

Here's the previous on Holocaust denier, Rys2Censor.

WRH posting Nazi propaganda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eternal_Jew

Anti-neocon.com : Anti-fascist? Hardly. Part One.

The following are all examples of the "culture" over at Rys2Sense's self-proclaimed "anti-fascist website" - anti-neocons.com.

See how anti-fascist these array of comments appear to you? Hint - it reads like Stormfront to me.

The quotes appear first, followed by a snapshot of the page. [I'm IP banned by the "freedomfighters" over at anti-neocons.com, so can't simply link direct to the posts]. Here's the view from anti-neocons.com:

Far as I'm concerned we need to finish off all the zionists while we got the countermeasures to do so.......take them all to the courts, break out the tazer rifles...

"By the way, in March 24 of 1933 the "Jews" declared an economical war on Germany......and you wonder as to why Herr Hitler was pissed off at them?"

...maybe I should go there and slaughter a few jewish kids and babies myself, i wouldn't even think twice just give me a saw or a knife.

...you must kill [Israel's] seeds (babies and children)....

Why do people hate the Jews?
...
They hate Arabs as a race. They think of Arab women as baby makers.....

Israeli Jews are after all the self proclaimed chosen race of god. It sick what do to their own kids. It is even more sick what they do to everyone else's children.

As long as you call It, or them, anything other than "Jewish" they are safe to continue to do their evil deeds in the shadows.

I do agree with you that we've been intimidated by them to some extent to the point that we are adverse to using the J word.

They're Jews, plain and simple.

THOUGHT CRIME ALERT - Holocaust denier Fredric Toben has been taken into cutody to serve a jail term over publishing offensive material on the internet.

I wonder if we can send [Toben] letters in prison.

Holocaust Denial for Dummies - The International Red Cross reported that less than 300,000 ...died of all causes....barely more than half were JEws....

They never found any trace evidence of Zyclon B in any "gas chambers" at any camp. The Zyclon B was used to prevent diseases at the camps, of course I could go to prison for saying that if I lived in Europe. It's still a fact, the Zionist's deny it because they're delusional and can't face the fact that other people suffered much worse than they could ever dream of under Hitler.

The majority of deaths were from exhaustion and starvation.

There was no 6 million figure..... The escalation of deaths for Jews/communists/gays/atheists came at the very end of the war, the majority by starvation after the allied bombings. ....the intention was that of slavery not extermination or they would all have just been shot upon stepping off the train. (as the handicapped were)

...between 750 to a million people (not all jews) were killed in the prisons on purpose then many many more than that were used as slaves most of whom died of stavation after allied bombings.

Hideous Allied War Crimes during and after WWII

From Ingrid Rimland - Good morning from the Zundelsite.....

Ernst Zundel out of Jail Today!

Our "war prisoner", the world famous freedom fighter, Ernst Zundel has been released to day after seven years from the Mannheim prison!

Great News! I hope [Zundel] is doing well.

Try watching a video by Ted Pike on google video

Full video of interview with Eustace Mullins.

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That reflects the lexicon and agenda of the far-right, fascism - nazism.

The sources include Willis Carto, Ted Pike, Eustace Mullins, Ernst Zundel, Zundelsite, AmericanFreePress, CODOH. The subjects focus around a mix of Holocaust denial, demonisation of "zionism" whilst being ambivalent about distinctions between Zionism and "Jews", conspiracism (World Jewish/Zionist conspiracy), legitimisation of Nazism and anti-semitism, delegitimisation of Israel and Jew-spotting, generally.

This is hardly what one should expect from an "anti-fascist" forum. It reads like Stromfront - just without the Swaztikas and obvious "tells". It's Stormfront Lite. It's the "acceptable" face of neo-Nazism.

This is what masquerades as an alternative. Oh dear.

And just in case you think Ryse is joking, check this:

If you must kill, Kill the, generlas, kill the politicians kill the zionist media. I never understand why buses and malls are targets. Seems like it be more effective to just poison the water, set random fires etc. A ton of things would work better than a one time suicide mission. Makes me think some of these are staged.

kill the politicians kill the zionist media?????

Jared Loughner anyone?

The disturbing thing about this is that Rys2Sense believes the entire American media and political system is "controlled by Israel", so presumably qualifies for errr.....extermination.

Rense.com : mouthpiece for neo-Nazi lies

Rense.com helped 'info-launder' the lies of neo-Nazi, Jamie Kelso's WhiteNews website:



Free and honest journalism? From Nazis? Are you sure, Mr Rense?

Surely unwarranted when the article in question appears to be nothing but malicious lies dripping with antisemitism. "Loughner's actually Jewish and the media aren't telling you....because they're all Jewish too!" Well, errr....no, but I don't suppose you're interested in that?

It's pure coincidence too, of course, that Rense.com prominently features the cartoons of Holocaust denier, David Dees. [When challenged on his Holocaust denial Dees' first effort at providing evidence was a link to Hal Turner! Brilliant.]

It's even more of a coincidence perhaps that when Rense fell out with Mark Glenn of Crescent and Cross he sent his mate David Duke around to.....well, who knows why he sent him? But send him he did, apparently.

A quick search for Willis Carto at Rense leads straight to Holocaust denial from Carto's minions - Piper Collins at TheBarnesReview (Holocaust denial, Nazi legitimisation)


Typical Holocaust denial. There's Nazism all around Rense.....and Rivero....and Alex Jones.....around the entire "patriot movement". All the same people regurgitating the same old guff. And Nazis all around. Just coincidence.....like these other connections.

In April 2003, Barnes Review announced that it is the exclusive distributor for Jewish Supremacism, a new book by Holocaust-denier and former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. The journal's web site advertises the book as including "a panoramic summary of fifty years of findings by Holocaust revisionists who have left the official version of 'the Holocaust' in shreds."
SOURCE

Small world?

Paul Fromm -> Arthur Topham -> Rense -> You

Paul Fromm -> Arthur Topham -> Rense -> You

Image: Lorraine Hjalte/Calgary Herald
Source: News Release from the Anti-Racist Organizer

Wikipedia : Frederick Paul Fromm (born January 3, 1949), known as Paul Fromm, is a Canadian White Nationalist, based in Port Credit, Ontario, with a radio show on the Stormfront web site and ties to former KKK members David Duke and Don Black (white nationalist) through Stormfront. He has been described by national media as "one of Canada's most notorious white supremacists".[1]

Radical Press' Arthur Topham on Paul Fromm:

Paul Fromm and I have been working together on issues for close to a decade now after first meeting online while I was printing my hard copy edition called The Radical.

Mr. Fromm’s many years of experience in battling the good fight to retain freedom of speech and expression for all Canadians makes his participation in this present struggle with B’nai Brith Canada over the Section 13(1) issue one of vital importance.
SOURCE

Arthur Topham on Jeff Rense:

"He was posting my material without any problems until one day about a year ago he suddenly contacted me to say that I had spammed him by sending him something like 14 or 15 copies of an article and so he was removing me from his email list......I tried to appeal to him via a mutual correspondent Henry Makow but nothing ever came of it.

Now, in retrospect, I suppose I should check into the last few articles that I did send him. Possibly I was exposing the anti-Muslim bashers and hate-mongers and thus fell from Jeff’s grace."
SOURCE

Welsh National Socialist Flag

It kinda goes. I wanted to see what a Nazified Welsh flag would look like. I've never seen it before - thank god! haha. (Thanks Grandpa - an anti-aircraft gunner in the Battle of Britain) It's strange to look at. The red flags in Wales were surely of socialism not of Nazism, though it's a very conservative sort of socialist revolution the Welsh folk must of had. They're internationalist, maybe - but not if it includes the saes. I mean England. Whoopsie.

Deleted at Big Dan's Big Blog

Here's an example of my comments which have been deleted at Big Dan's Big Blog. All the instances of quotes from "plunger" I had culled from old threads at Big Dan's Big Blog. Plunger is also a contributor to BradBlog, and is on good terms with BradBlog's moderator Agent99, whom also post at Big Dan's Big Blog. Hence the views expressed by Plunger given here can be taken as somewhat representative of those at BradBlog - either that, or the views expressed here are unknown to BradBlog, in which case, Plunger and Agent99 (and any other member of the two blogs) is deceiving BradBlog about their views. Or vice versa, of course.

My comments are in bold. The thread they were deleted from is here.

I should point out that until this point I had been completely civil, and was intent on asking why the Blog owner - Big Dan - was linking to fascist "news" sources, whilst claiming sources such as Chris Bollyn, WhatReallyHappened, DesertPeace and Smoking Mirrors were "anti-fascist". The blog owner deleted at least 30 posts of mine which asked about this issue. Having experienced such censorship, and having spent hours reading through the back-history of threads at Big Dan's I was less inclined to maintain my civility - they simply don't deserve it, such is the preponderance of their hatred, their stupidity, and their service to genuine fascism.

Plunger: "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

LIES.

I challenge you to stand that statement up. Where is the least evidence that statement was actually made? I'll tell you - there's no evidence for it having been made.

But that says everything about you - you will accept such obvious tripe as "fact" - and you feed your hate on it. You embrace bullshit to justify your own hate, and to create hate in others. Despicable.

Plunger: "Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, all of them are ON ISRAEL'S PAYROLL. All of them were directly involved in 9/11, and many foreign intelligence services have them dead-to rights, and are blackmailing them."

You just pick things from the air - and say they are true. And thereby your hate is justified. No matter you have no evidence - no matter it's utter bullshit. Which came first - your hatred or your "facts"? Regardless - now they are one and the same: your hate leads your bias, your bias feeds your hate......

plunger: "Bin Laden does not exist."

HAHA - sure. Because you say so? Sure....

plunger: Henry Ford said this........
Charles Lindbergh said this......

Oh really? Like anyone gives a shit what they said? We're supposed to listen to Henry Ford, now, are we? Why? Oh - that's right - because .....errr.......because they confirm your beliefs. Big deal. It doesn't mean anything beyond asserting they *said it*. You believe it if you want to, Mr Gullible.

plunger: "33. The International Jew. By Henry Ford."

Oh - look - a real authority on "the international jew"! Pathetic.

plunger: Patrick Buchanan

Oh - look - listen up people, Buchanan's speaking! Bwahaha.

plunger: Who Rules America? By Dr. William Pierce

Woooaah! What a source that is! National Alliance founder, Nazi William Pierce! Pardon me if I pass? Sheesh. Let's find a Nazi for some "information" on Jews, shall we? HAHA. Facts, plunger, facts! HAHA. It'll be bloody Adolf fucking Hitler next?

plunger: From Adolf Hitler's last Will and Political Testament. Google users enter: Hitler my political testament

Hitler!? Oh yeah - world renowned for his scholarly ojectivity on jews, right.......? You're BATSHIT MAD.

plunger: Benjamin Freedman's 1955 speech

Ben Freedman? Oh lordy! The only jew every anti-semite totally trusts? LOL All the rest are lying snakes, but Freedman's reliable? LOL Believe it if you want. But so what?

Just look at that "range" of sources........?

And you say you're not anti-semitic?

Sure - it's just your sources that are anti-semitic. HAHA You don't fool anyone.

plunger: You will find no writing of mine that condemns the entire country of Israel for anything - ever.

and

plunger: You insinuate that I paint all Israelis or Jews with the same brush, despite the fact I never have.

That doesn't prevent you fielding a mass of sources whom DO! That's your entire gambit - claim you don't say those things, then field every crazed anti-semite whom does! Like Hitler, like William Pierce, like Lindberg, like Henry Ford, Like Ted Pike, Like AFP, like TBR etc etc. How transparent. That's pure rhetorical trickery on your part.

Plus you employ OBVIOUSLY manufactured quotes such as "We the Jews control America!"

SO, THAT IS YOU SAYING IT, plunger - WHEN YOU FIELD THOSE SOURCES AND QUOTES AS "FACTS" AND AS THE SUPPORTING EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ARGUMENTS AND CLAIMS, AND INSIST THEY ARE "FACTS" THEN IT IS YOU SAYING THOSE THINGS.

And you do CONTINUALLY say things such as:

plunger: Obama will say nothing, in deference to his true master, the Master of all who are (s)elected to serve Israel's AGENDA.

So pardon me, but your self excuse is frankly disgusting contortion and dissembling.

You don't say such things? RUBBISH!!

plunger: ALL LIES. Media = Jewish-owned and complicit.

One wonders what the point of the word "Jewish" is in that phrasing if it isn't meant to imply what it is obviously meant to imply. Don't give me your bullshit about you NEVER say such things. Combine such words of yours with the quotes and sources you cite and there is simply NO ROOM FOR DEBATE - YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITIC HATER. You have a Hitlerite conception of World Jewish Conspiracy - the exact same mobilising myth of Nazism. Your denials are self-delusion, if that. I don't believe you even believe your denials - they are only there for your audience and to provide a peg on which to hang your righteousness.

Your faux rage at being 'cruelly labelled' is pathetic and a travesty to language and definition.

plunger: Israel controls everything inside the US. .....Israel actually controls the launch and targeting codes of the entire US Nuclear arsenal. .....Bottom line - Israel owns the United States - thanks to GHW Bush. None of this is speculation. These are facts.

FACTS?! HAHA You are a disgusting joke and a fraud. I seriously think you are mentally ill.

Look at the vileness running through everything you write?

I have spent more time than I wish to engaged with far-right polemicists, and you are very clearly amongst them. You would be amongst the extreme even at Stromfront.

And don't pretend otherwise - your stupid enraged denials are ridiculous.

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From these quotes from Plunger's contributions to Dan's blog, it seems obvious why my posts at BradBlog about Obama's Healthcare Reforms were deleted - I was arguing against the idea that Obama was "serving" some (jewish) conspiracy and instead was dealing with political realities ie I was recognising there was extremely fierce opposition to Obama's proposals rather than agreeing with the (far-right) conspiracy notion that that such disagreement is a pretense designed to deceive the public and prevent them realising there is a monolithic (jewish) conspiracy secretly ruling America.

This makes me wonder whether BradBlog's purpose is essentially the same too: is BradBlog's intent to suggest that there is a conspiracy? They suggest Obama is "betraying" Americans, and always meant to - do they mean to suggest such "betrayal" is on behalf of the (jewish?) conspiracy?

BradBlog also suggest vote fraud is endemic: is BradBlog suggesting such fraud is perpetrated to maintain the (jewish?) conspiracy? Is that BradBlog's intent - or do they just attract an audience which holds such a perspective?

Agent99 is a regular poster at Dan's Big Blog, and, as we have seen, actively ensures Plunger's comments appear at BradBlog using his privileged moderator status there. How much do Agent99's views about a jewish conspiracy reflect those of BradBlog? Is BradBlog's focus on Voter Fraud intended as a means to insinuate a conception of a Hitlerite Jewish World conspiracy into mainstream/progressive discourse? Or just to undermine confidence in what passes as "liberal democracy"? Or do they have a genuine concern for democracy?

I raise this question with the history of Weimar in mind - a crucial factor in the rise of Nazism was the undermining of confidence and faith in the Weimar Republic: before Nazism could gain a hold on the reigns of power, Weimar had to lose legitimacy, and the ensuing crisis opened a vacuum into which Hitler was swept. There were two major, and connected, factors: the loss of legitimacy of Weimar, and belief in a Jewish conspiracy.

It's worth noting that Big Dan defended his use of Willis Carto's AmericanFreePress with the examples that AFP had excellent coverage of vote fraud issues AND of Jewish/Israeli control over America.

Clearly there are obvious reasons why fascists would promote issues over vote fraud and "stolen elections"; 911 being an "inside job"; (Israeli/Jewish) blackmail of American politicians; demonisation of Israel/Jews; jewish control of media, political process, business, banking, etc.

Mainstreaming such views is crucial to the fascist enterprise.