Cheney does indeed say what the Troofers claim he does - that there is 'no evidence linking OBL with 911'.
However, Cheney very clearly mis-spoke - he obviously meant to say "no evidence against Saddam Hussein for 911".
That much is obvious, but only if you listen to the whole conversation. The use of the isolated quote distorts the true picture.
Listen to it - notice the question Cheney is responding to : "...the White House has never argued Saddam Hussein was involved with 911....?"
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Here's how one particularly potty-mouthed Troofer pursues this obvious lie about Cheney:
Such venom, and such certainty. And all based on a simple lie.
The blog I just got banned from was pushing the same lie about Cheney, in the same context - conspiracism about killing of Osama.
When I posted the facts of the matter, showing their claims are an obvious deceit.....my post was deleted. Surprise! Fearless Troof Seekers.
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ETA 13.6.2011 - The potty-mouth Troofer quoted above appears in the comments below - asking if there is any evidence that Cheney mis-spoke....that he meant no connection between Saddam and 911, not OBL and 911.
Well, no evidence is required, it is patently obvious that Cheney meant to say Saddam, not Osama. But we have much better than that - though Troofers dishonestly never tell anyone about it.
It is 2011, nearly 10 years since the interview in question took place.
The interview, or more specifically that single quote from Cheney, has been published and republished for years, thousands of times, over and over and over......
One might think at least one Troofer would be honest enough to have bothered to read the entire interview by now, seeing as how often they use the claim Cheney said no "evidence linking OBL to 911".
Well, aside from it being obvious what he meant, the actual interview makes it clear - but Troofers have never bothered to find out, and they certainly haven't told anyone the Truth about it.
Here is the part of that interview which Troofers have dishonestly never bothered to recognise:
Questioner: Okay. A couple of things, I think a couple of minutes ago -- I want to make sure -- you said Osama bin Laden wasn't involved in 9/11 planning. You meant Saddam Hussein, correct? That Saddam Hussein was not involved in September 11th?Nearly 10 years and Troofers are still trotting out their lies, and deliberately avoiding any evidence which contradicts them. Cherry-picking, etc.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Correct. Yes, sir.
Q Okay.
THE PRESIDENT CHENEY: Thanks for straightening that out. I didn't realize I'd done that. (Laughter.)
Q Yes. Well, otherwise we'd have a whole lot more stories to deal with.
SOURCE: TRANSCRIPT
Isn't it pathetic that Troofers are still pushing their lies about this? In nearly 10 years they haven't bothered to check out the actual interview - or they have checked the interview, and have continued to dishonestly never mention it.
Kind of ironic for a self-styled Truth Movement. But completely typical - the Troofer movement is characterised by such stuff - dishonesty, lack of intellectual integrity, inability to objectively assess evidence, cherry-picking, etc etc etc.
78 comments:
LOL! You say this:
"The blog I just got banned from was pushing the same lie about Cheney, in the same context - conspiracism about killing of Osama."
But in just 5 paragraphs before that you say this:
"Cheney does indeed say what the Troofers claim he does - that there is 'no evidence linking OBL with 911'."
How can it a "lie about Cheney" if you JUST ADMITTED that Cheney DID say those words?? It's NOT a lie if you ADMITTED he said those very words! You're an IDIOT!
What evidence do you have Cheney misspoke? Did h correct himself during that very interview? Did he say LATER he misspoke? Hmmmm??? Where's the evidence on YOUR part that "Cheney very clearly mis-spoke - he obviously meant to say "no evidence against Saddam Hussein for 911""???
You said:
"That much is obvious, but only if you listen to the whole conversation. The use of the isolated quote distorts the true picture."
Any EVIDENCE it's "obvious"???
So truthers get accused of making things up AND for taking people's VERBATIM words literally??
I also noticed you posted a screen shot of my site but never posted the link to it----no doubt because you don't want your 3 readers to go to my site and see where I destroyed you on all counts. You love showing where I use profanity, but then use profanity YOURSELF, saying this to me just yesterday:
"You don't have to be so obnoxious, Larry, you stupid cunt."
Why do you believe it's OBVIOUS Cheney misspoke? Because it's something you WANT to believe? So, now you're doing the SAME thing you accuse truthers of????
Hmmmmm.
You have STILL not posted ONE link, ONE source showing that the FBI was accuing Bin Laden of 9/11 BEFORE his "supposed" death.
The key word is "BEFORE"
I'm waiting.
Check the update, Larry?
BUSTED.
But you ADMITTED that Cheney DID say those words and then you called truthers LIARS for saying he said them! LOL.
Cheney is a colossal, pathelogical LIAR. Why are you protecting RIGHT wingers? Hmmmm????
Cheney also said this during the interview to a question by Snow:
"SNOW: I want to be clear because I've heard you say this, and I've heard the President say it, but I want you to say it for my listeners, which is that the White House has never argued that Saddam was directly involved in September 11th, correct?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: That's correct."
Hmmmm, REALLY? They NEVER EVER EVER accused Saddam for being involved in 9-11 huh?
Hmmmmmmmm. I seem to recall.......hmmmmm......
October 7, 2002----address by Bush:
"On September the 11th, 2001, America felt its vulnerability -- even to threats that gather on the other side of the earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America.
Members of the Congress of both political parties, and members of the United Nations Security Council, agree that Saddam Hussein is a threat to peace and must disarm."
"Saddam Hussein also has experience in using chemical weapons. He has ordered chemical attacks on Iran, and on more than forty villages in his own country. These actions killed or injured at least 20,000 people, more than six times the number of people who died in the attacks of September the 11th."
"We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases. And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America."
"Saddam Hussein would be in a position to blackmail anyone who opposes his aggression. He would be in a position to dominate the Middle East. He would be in a position to threaten America. And Saddam Hussein would be in a position to pass nuclear technology to terrorists. Some citizens wonder, after 11 years of living with this problem, why do we need to confront it now? And there's a reason. We've experienced the horror of September the 11th. We have seen that those who hate America are willing to crash airplanes into buildings full of innocent people."
"The attacks of September the 11th showed our country that vast oceans no longer protect us from danger. Before that tragic date, we had only hints of al Qaeda's plans and designs. Today in Iraq, we see a threat whose outlines are far more clearly defined, and whose consequences could be far more deadly. Saddam Hussein's actions have put us on notice, and there is no refuge from our responsibilities."
By interchanging "Saddam" and September 11th" REPEATEDLY in that speech, the White House is ACCUSING Saddam of carrying out 9-11, and you fucking know it.
Isn't it funny how for a few years now you have claimed that I ALWAYS defend the right, but here I am calling them fucking liars and YOU are the one defending them!
Amazing.
BTW: Where's that FBI link I requested that says THEY accused Bin Laden of 9-11 BEFORE he was "supposedly" killed in May???
Larry -
DO YOU ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG?
You could at least admit it.....better than pretending and furthering the deceit.
DO YOU ADMIT TROOFERS ARE WRONG ON THIS?
Wrong would be more generous than the more appropriate phrase....."lying, dishonest manipulators"
Whatever you say, you were wrong - I have proven it.
And likewise, Troofers are (yet again) exposed as being dishonest and incapable of objective research.
Like it's news?
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Yes, Cheney did say what the Troofers claim he said.
However, Troofers lie......by never acknowledging it was an obvious mistake by Cheney, one which the interviewer himself cleared-up in the same interview.
That shows Troofers attempt to manipulate public opinion through their own dishonesty.
And when found out, they respond as you do - COMPLETE DENIAL.
Like it never happened......
It's pathetic. Aren't you ashamed of your Troof movement behaving like that?
The Troofer whom I quote above, Real Truth Online AKA Larry S likes to claim that
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L: "I'm a mouthpiece for the truth, no matter where it comes from."
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He also says that it should be
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L: ......mindblowingly EASY to refute me on a consistent basis---and you haven't done it ONCE.
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Well, clearly LArry is too dim to even recognise when he's been refuted. The fact he can't count the number of times it has happened is therefore unsurprising.
I've refuted you over and over, L, but we can at least agree that this can stand as a single example, so you can never say never again.
K?
lols.
I don't even care about Cheney really. I care more about more important agencies like the FBI claiming OBL carried out 9/11----something that you FAIL repeatedly to address.
I have asked you like FIVE TIMES for evidence that the FBI ever claimed OBL carried out 9/11 BEFORE his "supposed" recent death......AND YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS.
By the way, I haven't found an actual clip/video of Cheney correcting himself. A transcript from a White House website doesn't cut it for me. There's LOTS of shit they wouldn't post there.
Got an actual clip---audio or video?
You mean none of those myriad Troofer repetitions of the claim have provided a full version of the interview?
Gosh - shocker.
Funny, you are happy to assert the most outrageous claims based upon it, yet you have never seen a full video, recording, transcript of the interview?
Completely typical, of course.
It's just like your absolute belief in the rumours that OBL was already dead, whilst you completely disbelieve the US gov. saying they killed him.
You don't believe the Gov because you don't believe they have his DNA.
But you believed all the rumours, and never mentioned DNA.
Just like you don't believe the Gov because they haven't provided evidence like video or photos......but you believed the rumours without even mentioning video, photos, evidence.
The self-deception is astonishing.
You'll end up crazy like that. Why accept it? Why behave so appallingly?
3 Troofers - you, Rivero and that potato blog - 3 liars.
Troof = lies. And a refusal to admit it, maybe even an inability to recognise it.
I guess that's why anti-semitism is so prevalent in Troof: an inability to recognise Truth, hence prejudice is unrestrained and has a free rein. It's little wonder the things go together - just like Holocaust denial [which Larry is also partial to]
"You mean none of those myriad Troofer repetitions of the claim have provided a full version of the interview?
Gosh - shocker."
I can't find one ANYWHERE, not on YouTube, or any OTHER place that would be impartial to this issue. It's not anywhere. Your response basically ADMITS there's no audio of it---or at least, you can't find it.
"Funny, you are happy to assert the most outrageous claims based upon it, yet you have never seen a full video, recording, transcript of the interview?
Completely typical, of course."
And if finding the audio of it was as easy as you are claiming it should be for ME to find, then why are you responding in this way rather than just sending me a link to it?
Is it because YOU can't find it EITHER???
If the audio of it can't be produced and all I have to base this on was a transcript from the WHITE HOUSE [of all places], then of COURSE I will doubt it!
"It's just like your absolute belief in the rumours that OBL was already dead, whilst you completely disbelieve the US gov. saying they killed him."
The rumors didn't come from the GOVERNMENT, asshole. The GOVERNMENT had OBL on their wanted list for TEN years---so OBVIOUSLY to them he was still alive!
"You don't believe the Gov because you don't believe they have his DNA.
But you believed all the rumours, and never mentioned DNA."
AGAIN, the rumors were not from the GOVERNMENT-----they still said he was ALIVE---DICK.
"Just like you don't believe the Gov because they haven't provided evidence like video or photos......but you believed the rumours without even mentioning video, photos, evidence.
The self-deception is astonishing."
AGAIN, the rumors were not from the GOVERNMENT. They still said he was ALIVE.
Your profound stupidity is astonishing.
"You'll end up crazy like that. Why accept it? Why behave so appallingly?"
You ARE crazy like that. Why do YOU accept bullshit from our government when they lie continually?? Why believe they had DNA of OBL? Because they SAID they did? Why didn't they bring his body to America?? Hmmmmm????
"I guess that's why anti-semitism is so prevalent in Troof: an inability to recognise Truth, hence prejudice is unrestrained and has a free rein. It's little wonder the things go together - just like Holocaust denial [which Larry is also partial to]"
Is that why you NEVER debunked David Dees ONCE when he posted on your blog? I'm neutral on the holocaust stuff....I don't know alot about it. I was listening to BOTH sides. Dees was more convincing. You never debunked him ONCE.
Now stop ignoring this: This is the SIXTH TIME I've asked this:
Where's your EVIDENCE the FBI wanted OBL for 9/11 and claimed he carried it out BEFORE his supposed recent death?????
ANSWER PLEASE?????
L: Your profound stupidity is astonishing.
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No, your inability to do basic comprehension is.
You copmpletely misunderstand the point.
As for your being "neutral" on the Holocaust.........you despicable lazy twat. Get off your stupid lazy arse and learn something.
David Dees' first (and presumably strongest) evidence against the Holocaust was to claim the ICRC said blah blah blah. Based on a document Hal Turner published.
But the ICRC has ***never*** given such statistics and therefore anyone making claims based on such statistics is lying.
Your "neutrality" disgusts me.
And you can't find the audio or video of the interview with Cheney?
Not looking very hard, are you?
http://radio.indymedia.org/en/node/16135
There's your audio. Now what reason will you give for not believing it? Or do you "just not care about Cheney" anymore? lol.
Most people would be embarrassed to be found behaving like you do. But you're not at all. Psycho?
"Consequently the ICRC considers it must make clear the fact that
it has never published -- or even compiled -- statistics of this kind
which are being falsely attributed to it. The work of the ICRC is to
help war victims, not to count them. In any case, how could its
delegates have obtained data for such statistics? They were able to
enter only a few concentration camps, and then only in the final days
of the war. Everything the ICRC tried to do for the inmates of those
camps, and what it finally managed to do, is related in its report
entitled 'The Work of the ICRC for Civilian Detainees in German
Concentration Camps from 1939 to 1945' (available in English, French
and German).
The same propaganda scheme has recently been making use of other
figures, namely the number of deaths recorded by the International
Tracing Service on the basis of documents found when the camps were
closed. Obviously this number bears no relation -- though the authors
of the propaganda pretend otherwise -- to the total deaths in
concentration camps; firstly because a considerable quantity of
documentary material was destroyed before the departure of the Nazi
administration, and secondly because many deaths were never recorded,
such as those which occurred in the extermination camps where records
were generally not kept."
Source: Bulletin No. 25 of the International Committee of the Red
Cross, 1 February 1978.
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David Dees was referring to this document, from Turner
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/130513
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As I say, your "neutrality" is disgusting. Grow a pair?
I clicked that link you posted. It takes you to a site where JUST THE TRANSCRIPT IS POSTED AGAIN. It says there's a link for the audio at the White House site, but when you click it---oooops, NO AUDIO!
I guess YOU didn't investigate YOUR OWN SOURCES HUH? You lazy shithead. I guess we need to look HARDER huh??? Or do I have to find YOUR facts for you???
You should not admit that you have no neutrality on the holocaust issue, because that makes you look worse because of the FACT that David Dees blew you away in the debate you had on here.
SEVENTH TIME NOW:
Where's your EVIDENCE the FBI wanted OBL for 9/11 and claimed he carried it out BEFORE his supposed recent death?????
ANSWER PLEASE?????
I will post this AGAIN since it was copletely IGNORED:
"It's just like your absolute belief in the rumours that OBL was already dead, whilst you completely disbelieve the US gov. saying they killed him."
The rumors didn't come from the GOVERNMENT, asshole. The GOVERNMENT had OBL on their wanted list for TEN years---so OBVIOUSLY to them he was still alive!
"You don't believe the Gov because you don't believe they have his DNA.
But you believed all the rumours, and never mentioned DNA."
AGAIN, the rumors were not from the GOVERNMENT-----they still said he was ALIVE---DICK.
"Just like you don't believe the Gov because they haven't provided evidence like video or photos......but you believed the rumours without even mentioning video, photos, evidence.
The self-deception is astonishing."
AGAIN, the rumors were not from the GOVERNMENT. They still said he was ALIVE.
Larry - the audio is at that link.
It's embedded in the page. Here's a direct link to the wav file.
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/dickcheney-binladen-innocent911-29mar2006b.wav
But what difference does it make? It would only make a difference to a person whom cares about the evidence - and you obviously don't.
How many years have you been touting that particular lie about Cheney?
How many years have you deceived yourself with it?
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L: the rumors were not from the GOVERNMENT
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Jesus, learn to read Larry? I know the rumours were not from the government. Why do you imagine I meant they were? (Because your comprehension is appalling.)
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L: You should not admit that you have no neutrality on the holocaust issue, because that makes you look worse because of the FACT that David Dees blew you away in the debate you had on here.
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You're disgusting.
You're "neutral" on the Holocaust, but you think a Holocaust-denier of Dees' calibre 'blew me away'?
Pathetic.
Go fuck yourself you disgusting little creep.
Anyone can check for themselves how Dees' Holocaust denial 'blew away' his critics....here:
http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com/2010/02/national-wingnut-appreciation-day.html
Dees lies about ICRC documents.
Dees lies that "The gas chamber that is claimed to have gassed millions of jews doesn't even test positive for Zyklon B in the walls. "
Dees lies that the Krakow Institute found no traces of ZyklonB.
Dees lies that "it was a typhus epidemic that killed the camp inmates"
Dees lies that "Hitler was framed"
etc.
Here's Larry giving his "neutral" stance:
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L: Secondly, Im shocked that you hold the views you do TLNL [well, not really]. What HARD evidence really IS there that so many people were killed? I mean, REALLY. The photographs of large groups of people [which Ive never seen actual footage of anyone being gassed, but theres plenty of footage of people being shot], movies depicting the holocaust, the concentration camps, the pictures of piles of bodies, the museums they hve now with all the clothes, hair, belongings taken from people. What HARD evidence is there? But yet, you accept it all as if its as clear as day 6 million died.
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Larry doesn't believe there is hard evidence for the Holocaust.
But he believes 911 was 'an inside job'.
Compare the evidence for each claims.....and you have the measure of Larry's intellectual and moral bankruptcy.
haha
Check this cached page, Larry?
It might take a while to load........
They seem to have mistaken you for David Dees - lol.
"Jesus, learn to read Larry? I know the rumours were not from the government. Why do you imagine I meant they were? (Because your comprehension is appalling.)"
You said THIS:
"It's just like your absolute belief in the rumours that OBL was already dead, whilst you completely disbelieve the US gov. saying they killed him."
You were basically saying that Im being contradictory by saying I believe the government on one issue [the rumors] but not about other things [that they recently killed him]-----that's EXACTLY what you were saying you fucking little faggot.
"Go fuck yourself you disgusting little creep."
My, what a potty mouth! LOL
"Dees lies about ICRC documents.
Dees lies that "The gas chamber that is claimed to have gassed millions of jews doesn't even test positive for Zyklon B in the walls. "
Dees lies that the Krakow Institute found no traces of ZyklonB.
Dees lies that "it was a typhus epidemic that killed the camp inmates"
Dees lies that "Hitler was framed""
Your PROOF? Ahhhh, because you SAID it right?
Just like you always condemning Willis Carto, but yet you NEVER GIVE PROOF.
"Larry doesn't believe there is hard evidence for the Holocaust."
I said what hard evidence is there that it was 6 MILLION....6 MILLION...6 MILLION?????? I said it's CLEAR that it was a LARGE amount of people----but what evidence is there that it was 6 MILLION...6 MILLION...6 MILLION?????????????
"Compare the evidence for each claims.....and you have the measure of Larry's intellectual and moral bankruptcy."
There is no comparison.
9/11: inside job-----MASSIVE evidence
Holocaust was 6 million people-----ZERO evidence [that even YOU couldn't provide]
"Larry - the audio is at that link.
It's embedded in the page. Here's a direct link to the wav file."
The White House page had NO audio on the page....LIAR.
EIGHTH TIME NOW:
Where's your EVIDENCE the FBI wanted OBL for 9/11 and claimed he carried it out BEFORE his supposed recent death?????
ANSWER PLEASE?????
How long will you CONTINUE to IGNORE this???
Speaking of the relative amounts and strength of evidence, Larry says:
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L: 9/11: inside job-----MASSIVE evidence
Holocaust was 6 million people-----ZERO evidence
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Well, that's Holocaust denial, for sure.
Some "neutrality" that is. Christ you're disingenuous.
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about it.....or you are lying.
Either way, you have absolutely no grounds on which to claim "no evidence" for Holocaust. Only an arrogant ignoramus could ever say such a thing.
Just so you know, in my eyes people who deny the Holocaust effectively join the ranks of those who perpetrated it.
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L:You were basically saying that Im being contradictory by saying I believe the government on one issue [the rumors] but not about other things [that they recently killed him]-----that's EXACTLY what you were saying you fucking little faggot.
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No. The government wasn't responsible for the rumours. If they were responsible, you wouldn't have believed the rumours.
The point is you believe the rumours, but not the government - supposedly because there's no evidence coming from the government about it. Never mind that you didn't ask for evidence before believing the rumours......? That's your bankruptcy.
No audio on the page I sent you to?
Yes there was - have another look:
http://radio.indymedia.org/en/node/16135
As for your ridiculous question about FBI and Osama.....what's the point in my addressing it? It makes no difference to you - you believe whatever you want. There's no point offering evidence to people as prejudiced as you. You're too lazy and too blinkered to even look at the Holocaust. So I can't see any point in addressing you about anything anymore tbh.
Just for the record.....2nd refutation of Larry this week:
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Testimony of Dale L. Watson, Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division, FBI
Before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
February 6, 2002
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"The transnational Al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden has clearly emerged as the most urgent threat to U.S. interests. The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable."
http://www2.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/watson020602.htm
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The FBI said it to Congress in Feb 2002.
It appears at their website, to this day.
That's 9 years Troofers have missed noticing it. Wow - Troofer research, huh?
working link to FBI source
LOL, a refutation? LOL
Watson said this:
"The transnational Al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden has clearly emerged as the most urgent threat to U.S. interests. The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable."
Then he fails to list this "irrefutable evidence". In fact, this "evidence" was SO "irrefutable" that the FBI did not add 9/11 to his FBI Most Wanted List profile---as I have REPEATEDLY said.
Watson later says this [you CONVENIENTLY OMIT]
"In addition, numerous individuals have been indicted for their involvement in terrorist activities and are currently being sought by the FBI. Usama Bin Laden and 15 other subjects stand indicted for their roles in Al-Qaeda and the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa. Three additional subjects are in custody in the United Kingdom but are expected to be extradited soon to stand trial in the SDNY."
Notice how Watson OMITS 9/11 as one of the indictable acts of OBL. You OMIT that. How convenient.
Watson then says:
"In October 2001 the FBI established the Most Wanted Terrorists program to focus expanded attention on indicted terrorist suspects. Usama Bin Laden was among the first 22 names placed on this list. In June 1998 Bin Laden had been named to the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list."
No mention of 9/11 there EITHER. Hmmmmm. Know why?? Because he was NEVER indicted for 9/11-----yet he claims there is "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE". LOL
"That's 9 years Troofers have missed noticing it. Wow - Troofer research, huh?"
I missed NOTHING you lying, dishonest TURD you.
YOU are the one who OMITS crucial portions of Watson's text in which he OMITS mention of 9/11. You OMIT that because it doesn't mesh with YOUR pre-conceived conclusion...that OBL was accused by the FBI of carrying out 9/11.
For Watson to even IMPLY there is "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" and then not only OMIT listing this evidence, but then OMITS mention of 9/11 for OBL's indictable offenses/crimes is laugh-out-loud hilarious......and stupid ignorant fucks like YOU buy his bullshit!
"Well, that's Holocaust denial, for sure.
Some "neutrality" that is. Christ you're disingenuous."
The definition of "holocaust" is NOT SIX MILLION PEOPLE. The definition is: "A massive slaughter".
So, a holocaust could be 200,000 or 1 million, CORRECT??? To deny it's SIX MILLION is NOT holocaust denial you stupid mother fucker.
200,000 is a massive slaughter
1 million is a massive slaughter
CORRECT?? Tell me I'm wrong about that.
"Either way, you have absolutely no grounds on which to claim "no evidence" for Holocaust. Only an arrogant ignoramus could ever say such a thing."
You are a fucktard. With you, it's either someone believes its 6 million or ZERO, right? Either someone believes it's 6 million or no mass killing AT ALL, correct???
Tell me something, what makes an ignorant fuck THAT incredibly stupid?? Do tell.
Answer these questions:
1. Is 100,000 people a massive amount?
2. Is 300,000 people a massive amount?
3. Is 1 million a massive amount?
4. Is 3 million a massive amount?
If your answers to ALL questions is not "yes" then you are a lying fucking asshole who does not even know the MEANING of the word "holocaust".
Over 5,000 troops have died in the wars started by Bush and sustained by Obama.
5,000 is a "massive slaughter", which makes that a holocaust.
Tell me something assdick, since you SUPPORT the wars, why do you support this holocaust?
I'm waiting for an answer. I will keep posting this question until you answer.
We're on about one particular Holocaust, Larry - not A holocaust. The Shoah. Hitler's Final Solution. The attempted extermination of all Jews in Europe. So not "a" holocaust - a particular one.
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Larry says:
---I missed NOTHING you lying, dishonest TURD you.----
Oh, you didn't miss anything?
Other than the fact the FBI said to the Senate in 2002 that the evidence linking OBL with 911 was clear and irrefutable.
And that it appears on their website to this day?
You have spent years denying this simple fact.
Just like you spent years claiming Cheney 'admitted' they never claimed OBL was responsible for 911 - based on an interview you never bothered to read the whole of - and in which it point blank refutes your claim.
Pathetic.
L: Over 5,000 troops have died in the wars started by Bush and sustained by Obama.
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No they haven't.
L: Over 5,000 troops have died in the wars started by Bush and sustained by Obama.
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No they haven't.
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You're DENYING that over 5,000 troops have died in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars since 2002/2003??? REALLY????
L: You're DENYING that over 5,000 troops have died in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars since 2002/2003??? REALLY????
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Yep.
of course.
LOL. YOU DELETED MY POSTS. HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY CONDEMN OTHERS FOR DELETING YOU?? YOU FUCKING FRAUD!
The posts were NOT addressed. Thats why they were re-posted---DICK.
I was wrong about the war deaths. It's over 6,000. Here's the proof you fucking bitch.
This even shows their faces.
http://projects.
washingtonpost.
com/fallen/
To deny their deaths makes you lower than a fucking human being, you fucking cocksuker.
L: they were re-posted
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Yep - spam - deleted.
One copy of your posts is enough?
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L: I was wrong about the war deaths. It's over 6,000.
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Rubbish. Why make things up?
"One copy of your posts is enough?"
Not when you IGNORE it, it isn't!
I gave you the fucking link to where you can view the faces of each dead soldier you piece of shit. How is it "making it up" when I showed PROOF?
To IGNORE such an EASILY provable FACT like the number of dead troops makes you the biggest fucking ASSHOLE that ever lived. It's also the biggest reason that NOTHING YOU EVER SAY can be taken seriously since you DENY things that can be googled in 10 seconds and take practically NO research to find.
FUCK YOU, you little fucking ASSHOLE.
You're LEFT wing right? Well look at the bottom of LEFT wing Michael Moore's page----even he lists over 5,700 total deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan---he's off by about 300 deaths in Afghanistan according to the Washington Post link I sent. His Iraq death count is just about right.
There's two sources---want more???
ASSFUCKER.
Why do you support THAT holocaust??
Hmmmmmm?????
Wow, it's astonishing how easily you fell into that, Larry.
Just look at your anger and disgust towards me because I denied the deaths of 6000 (american) soldiers.....
and compare that to your sucking-up to David Dees, whom denies the murder of about 5.8m CIVILIAN Jews.
There's something wrong there, Larry.
You know 5000 is 1/2000th of a single million?
Your 5000 soldiers are 1/12,0000th of the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews.....who were civilians....not soldiers, of course. Women and children too, and old people - everyone.
So Dees' denial is an order of magnitude 12,000 times greater.
But you don't offer a word of criticism against Dees' and others' Holocaust denial...whereas for my (fake) denial of 5000 soldiers you turn into a raging fury.
About my denying 5000 american soldier's deaths you said
L: To deny their deaths makes you lower than a fucking human being, you fucking cocksuker.
Yet you happily embrace the denial of 6,000,000 defenceless civilian jews.
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Over the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews, your concern for 5,000 children doesn't exist.
Over Jewish children, mothers and grandparents, you don't find 5,000 important at all. For you, it could be just 100,000 not 6m.....because 'that's a holocaust too'.
Pretty disgusting, aren't you Larry?
And hypocritical, too.
You fawned over Dees' denial of 6m - you were totally silent on his lies about the ICRC saying only 270,000c died in the camps.
You are "neutral" about such things, so you say.
But if those 5 or 6000 soldiers lives are so important, then why aren't EVERY 5000 Jews?
American soldiers might have some expectation of getting killed in the line of duty.....it is their job...and it is a war, supposedly.
Whereas the victims of the Holocaust were civilians. Quite a big difference.
And the difference in the number is of an order of 10,000 times greater.
But Larry only sees the repugnance of denying 5000 american soldiers' deaths in the line of duty......in contrast the denial of 6,000,000 Jewish civilians (men women and children) doesn't matter.
It certainly doesn't generate in Larry the least bit of anger and repugnance which he shows over 5000 US soldiers' deaths.
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I think you should dwell on that for a while Larry.
You should reflect on why you respond so differently to the different cases - emotionally and intellectually.
Why did you not say to Dees
"To deny their deaths makes you lower than a fucking human being, you fucking cocksuker."
You must think Dees' figure of 125,000 is highly accurate....
And to believe that you'd have to believe all his other lies.
He believes Hitler was "framed".
You never raised a word of criticism. You weren't moved in the least by it.
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It's not just a number, Larry - every single one was an individual human being. It's also about history and 'the Truth'.
Of course I accept circa 6000 US soldiers have died in Iraq/Afghan. I said otherwise because I suspected you'd go ape, and I wanted you to experience the repugnance denial can (and should?) evoke.
In fact it's you that's in denial, not me. And your denial is on a scale waaaaaay beyond what you believed mine to be.
Maybe now you can understand how your Holocaust denial is so repugnant in the eyes of others? How Dees and all the other deniers are so disgusting? It's probably asking too much to hope you might understand that.
I'd suggest you really should go out and learn something about the Holocaust, but what's the point when all you would do is go straight to denial sources and swallow it whole? Your usual sources are all committed to denial anyway.....and the framework which allows it. Whereas the real evidence is too vast for your attention span to accommodate, and it really isn't very well represented online. Whereas Google of course is flooded with malign anti-semitic amateurs in denial.....all spewing the same tired old shit. Like Dees and Willis Carto, for example, and we've already seen your critical skills at work there - not.
Oh, and just to anticipate your reply that you're "neutral" not "a denier"......
Well, I'll say I am 'neutral' about 6000 american soldiers dying.
To use your own arguments.......I can say I haven't seen a smoking gun that proves it.....I don't see complete denial as a problem.....I can't rule it out. Let's say I am prepared to accept 20 have died.....which is still quite a lot....right?
So, yeah....something like 20 american soldiers have died in Iraq.
See - in your terms I'm not a denier.....I can claim 20 people is a lot, and I accept a lot died.
We can agree on a figure of 20, yes? And they were all in car-accidents.....agreed? Glad that's settled.
"Just look at your anger and disgust towards me because I denied the deaths of 6000 (american) soldiers.....
and compare that to your sucking-up to David Dees, whom denies the murder of about 5.8m CIVILIAN Jews."
Because we know EXACTLY who the 6000+ ARE, by NAME. In othe words, we have EVIDENCE there's 6,000+. No evidence exists of it being 6 million. There's evidence of a HIGH number [which would STILL constitute the word "holocaust"----but not according to YOU] but not of 6 million.
"But you don't offer a word of criticism against Dees' and others' Holocaust denial...whereas for my (fake) denial of 5000 soldiers you turn into a raging fury."
There's nothing to criticize because he doesnt DENY there was HOLOCAUST. He only denies the number, which there's NO evidence of being 6 million. Get it now?
"You should reflect on why you respond so differently to the different cases - emotionally and intellectually."
I just did.
"Why did you not say to Dees
"To deny their deaths makes you lower than a fucking human being, you fucking cocksuker.""
Because he's not denying something that is EASILY provable like the number of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"You must think Dees' figure of 125,000 is highly accurate...."
Nope. I don't know the number. Either do YOU.
"And to believe that you'd have to believe all his other lies."
Untrue. I call Bill Maher out on his bullshit but commend him when I feel he's truthful. Just read my blog.
"He believes Hitler was "framed".
You never raised a word of criticism. You weren't moved in the least by it."
Because I have no idea. I DO know that the USA and Britain FINANCED Hitler and supported him. Whether he was framed is another story. He was heavily financed and supported by your country and mine.
"Maybe now you can understand how your Holocaust denial is so repugnant in the eyes of others?"
Let me ask you something that I DEMAND an answer to:
What is the definition of "Holocaust"? Answer that.
"See - in your terms I'm not a denier.....I can claim 20 people is a lot, and I accept a lot died."
20 is not a "massive slaughter" [hint, hint...I just gave you the answer to the question above since you're a stupid shithead]
L: In othe words, we have EVIDENCE there's 6,000+. No evidence exists of it being 6 million.
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You are straight back to it.
You don't know anything about the evidence, Larry. Obviously.
I need only repeat what you said about my (fake) denial of american losses:
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L: To deny [American soldier] deaths makes you lower than a fucking human being, you fucking cocksuker.
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But about the Holocaust Larry says:
L: No evidence exists of it being 6 million.
Whatever Larry......
Despicable.
"I need only repeat what you said about my (fake) denial of american losses:
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L: To deny [American soldier] deaths makes you lower than a fucking human being, you fucking cocksuker."
You feel the need to repeat it because you're a goddamned idiot. I ALREADY addressed it theFIRST time ya fucking douchebag.
It's because WE KNOW EACH OF THE SOLDIERS BY NAME. WE HAVE PROOF THEY ARE DEAD. WE KNOW THEIR NAMES YA DICKHEAD. THEY ARE VERIFIED DEATHS. EACH PERSON HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.
DO YOU KNOW EACH AND EVERY NAME OF THE 6 MILLION???? WELL??? DO YOU????
BY THE WAY ASSHOLE, YOU IGNORED MY QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
"But about the Holocaust Larry says:
L: No evidence exists of it being 6 million.
Whatever Larry......"
LOL. "whatever Larry".....EXCELLENT REFUTATION! I'M DEBUNKED!!! LOL.
whatever.
it isn't up to me to cultivate your humanity, nor your compassion, nor your reason.
It's an Augean task, and I admit complete defeat. I tried.
Anyway, it's up to you, and apparently you're incapable of the task.
So, whatever.
Wow, what irrefutable evidence you have provided that the number is 6 million! You used the word "whatever" TWICE! Great piece of evidence there!!
STILL ignoring my question:
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
Also, you IGNORED:
DO YOU KNOW EACH AND EVERY NAME OF THE 6 MILLION???? WELL??? DO YOU????
Answer the above two questions please.
No, Larry, nobody knows every single name. It's impossible. For one thing, infants wouldn't have been registered anywhere.
4 million Jews have been individually indentified as victims - see here
"No, Larry, nobody knows every single name. It's impossible."
And yet you believe the impossible.
Amazing.
Now, answer my two questions.
Ooops, sorry, you just have one question to answer. I've asked that one more times than the other one.
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
God, you're an idiot.
You slough off 4 million names like it never happened.
You ask for names.....you got given 4 million.
Doesn't have the least effect. Astonishing. On you trollop with your idiocy.
That's 3,875,000 more names of men women and children than Dees accepts.
When I deliberately deny 5000 american soldier fatalities (just to provoke you) you're outraged - but when Dees denies 3.9m named fatalities (let alone all the rest) you offer no criticism whatsoever.
Shameful.
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
WHAT'S THE DEFINITION TO "HOLOCAUST"???
Shameful
"Shameful"
Yes. Shameful that you REFUSE to answer a question that a first grader can answer.
I find it funny [but not surprising] that you didnt make ONE comment to my comments about Watson.
But you don't care about Dees' Holocaust denial, his exoneration of Hitler, nor your own lies about Cheney and the FBI.
Larry says:
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You have STILL not posted ONE link, ONE source showing that the FBI was accuing Bin Laden of 9/11 BEFORE his "supposed" death.
The key word is "BEFORE"
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I post the following
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Testimony of Dale L. Watson, Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division, FBI
Before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
February 6, 2002
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"The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable."
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Larry replies.....
"...you can't/refuse to/will not answer my question on WHERE you found that the FBI said OBL was guilty for 9/11 BEFORE his supposed death last month."
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The FBI actually saying it at a hearing in front of the US Senate isn't enough?
Whatever. lol.
"But you don't care about Dees' Holocaust denial, his exoneration of Hitler, nor your own lies about Cheney and the FBI."
This is why you REFUSE to provide an answer to my question "WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF 'HOLOCAUST'?", because if you ANSWERED the question and said it's correct meaning "massive slaughter", that would be ADMITTING that even if Dees claimed that 150,000 died, that would STILL be a HOLOCAUST because 150,000 is STILL a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER.
BUT YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION TO THE MEANING OF THE WORD, SO IN ESSENCE, YOU ARE SAYING THAT DEES IS NOT A HOLOCAUST DENIER.
I realize you will respond by saying I'm nuts or that Dees IS a denier, but yet YOU are the one who REFUSES to give a definition to HOLOCAUST, but you CANNOT say he's a holocaust denier just because he disagrees with the NUMBER of deaths, because 150,000 is STILL a MASSIVE AMOUNT----and you KNOW that's true.
If I'm wrong-----WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF HOLOCAUST THEN???
"The FBI actually saying it at a hearing in front of the US Senate isn't enough?"
NOPE. And I ALREADY ADDRESSED this above saying this:
Watson said this:
"The transnational Al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden has clearly emerged as the most urgent threat to U.S. interests. The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable."
Then he fails to list this "irrefutable evidence". In fact, this "evidence" was SO "irrefutable" that the FBI did not add 9/11 to his FBI Most Wanted List profile---as I have REPEATEDLY said.
Watson later says this [you CONVENIENTLY OMIT]
"In addition, numerous individuals have been indicted for their involvement in terrorist activities and are currently being sought by the FBI. Usama Bin Laden and 15 other subjects stand indicted for their roles in Al-Qaeda and the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa. Three additional subjects are in custody in the United Kingdom but are expected to be extradited soon to stand trial in the SDNY."
Notice how Watson OMITS 9/11 as one of the indictable acts of OBL. You OMIT that. How convenient.
Watson then says:
"In October 2001 the FBI established the Most Wanted Terrorists program to focus expanded attention on indicted terrorist suspects. Usama Bin Laden was among the first 22 names placed on this list. In June 1998 Bin Laden had been named to the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list."
No mention of 9/11 there EITHER. Hmmmmm. Know why?? Because he was NEVER indicted for 9/11-----yet he claims there is "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE". LOL
"That's 9 years Troofers have missed noticing it. Wow - Troofer research, huh?"
I missed NOTHING you lying, dishonest TURD you.
YOU are the one who OMITS crucial portions of Watson's text in which he OMITS mention of 9/11. You OMIT that because it doesn't mesh with YOUR pre-conceived conclusion...that OBL was accused by the FBI of carrying out 9/11.
For Watson to even IMPLY there is "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" and then not only OMIT listing this evidence, but then OMITS mention of 9/11 for OBL's indictable offenses/crimes is laugh-out-loud hilarious......and stupid ignorant fucks like YOU buy his bullshit!
You IGNORED my above response.
You can call Dees any term you want. Call him a "6 million people holocaust denier" but you CANNOT call him a holocaust denier just in general because he STILL believes a MASSIVE amount died-----which IS a holocaust.
The Nazi Holocaust. Not 'a holocaust'.
we're speaking about the Nazi holocaust, no other.
Larry, you said:
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You have STILL not posted ONE link, ONE source showing that the FBI was accuing Bin Laden of 9/11 BEFORE his "supposed" death.
The key word is "BEFORE"
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I posted FBI testimony to the Senate from early 2002 which says the evidence linking AQ to 911 is "clear and irrefutable".
It wasn't a hearing into 911 - it wasn't a hearing about the evidence against OBL/AQ. There was no reason to go through the evidence.
Regardless, it definitely is PROOF the FBI were saying they held such a view - BEFORE OBL's death.
That's what you disputed - and I proved you WRONG.
L: you CANNOT call him a holocaust denier just in general because he STILL believes a MASSIVE amount died-----which IS a holocaust.
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You are such a fool, Larry.
He says it didn't happen. He says Hitler was 'framed'.
Stuff you, and your idiocy.
"I posted FBI testimony to the Senate from early 2002 which says the evidence linking AQ to 911 is "clear and irrefutable"."
Yes and I have responded to your fucking Watson testimony like 5 times saying HE DID NOT PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE!
"It wasn't a hearing into 911 - it wasn't a hearing about the evidence against OBL/AQ. There was no reason to go through the evidence."
LOL, I'm pissing my pants! So, you're telling me that when YOU provide a source...all they have to do is SAY OBL is guilty and they dont need to provide the evidence NOR do they have to TALK about it?????? LOL. You're fucking insane!
"The Nazi Holocaust. Not 'a holocaust'.
we're speaking about the Nazi holocaust, no other."
"Holocaust" STILL means "MASS SLAUGHTER" whether you are talking about the Nazi holocaust or ANY other. Are you saying when you insert the word "Nazi" in front of the word "holocaust", it has a DIFFERENT meaning? How many drugs are you on??
You CANNOT call Dees a "HOLOCAUST DENIER" if he believes a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER took place-----ASSHOLE.
"You are such a fool, Larry."
Namecalling is not synonymous with DEBUNKING. If Dees believes 150,000 were killed, he is NOT a holocaust denier[holocaust meaning: MASSIVE SLAUGHTER]. PERIOD.
Ya fuckstick.
Question: [im sure you'll ignore]
Is 150,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER?
YES OR NO
Don't say ANYTHING but YES or NO.
"There was no reason to go through the evidence."
LOL. Yep--no reason at ALL to waste time with evidence. I mean, it's ONLY the prime cause of the 2 wars we started and the cause of over 6,000 troops and over a million Iraqi innocent civilian deaths. It's ONLY the reason why our national debt is at record levels and the reason why generations of Americans will have to pay for these wars that Democrats crucified Bush for starting, only to be elected into office and CONTINUE them.
Yep, you're right---no reason at all!
You stupid mother fucker.
Just admit you were wrong?
The fact is, I provided proof that the FBI did say what you claim they hadn't.
BEFORE OBL's DEATH. K.
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Here's a definition of Holocaust denial, Larry. Grow up.
"Holocaust denial is the act of denying the genocide of Jews in World War II, usually referred to as the Holocaust.[1] The key claims of Holocaust denial are: the German Nazi government had no official policy or intention of exterminating Jews, Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews, and the actual number of Jews killed was significantly (typically an order of magnitude) lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million"
Learn a little humility.
What about those 4 million Jews being individually identified, Larry?
You ask for it, then ignore it. You're a transparent fraud.
Dees claimed the number killed in camps was circa 120,000. He said they died from typhus, hunger (caused by allies!?)
Larry says that isn't Holocaust denial.
Larry believes claiming Hitler was innocent is not Holocaust denial.
Larry believes denying the gas chambers, the extermination policy, the numbers is NOT Holocaust denial.
Larry is an idiot, and sadly putting himself to the service of Nazism. You shame yourself in front of murdered millions, Larry.
""Holocaust denial is the act of denying the genocide of Jews in World War II, usually referred to as the Holocaust.[1] The key claims of Holocaust denial are: the German Nazi government had no official policy or intention of exterminating Jews, Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews, and the actual number of Jews killed was significantly (typically an order of magnitude) lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million""
This is someone's OPINION.
Now, will you anwer my question????
Is 150,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER?
YES OR NO
"Dees claimed the number killed in camps was circa 120,000. He said they died from typhus, hunger (caused by allies!?)
Larry says that isn't Holocaust denial."
Is 120,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER???
YES OR NO?
ANSWER THAT QUESTION YOU LITTLE FUCKING FAGGOT
YOUR country FUNDED HITLER you hypocritical shitbag.
The UK funded Hitler, so that they'd have to face an existential battle against Nazism later.
Sure, makes perfect sense.
Stop spamming.
Quit with the personal invective too - else you forfeit your opportunity to reply.
Last chance, ok.
I am sick to death of your vile attitude.
I am happy for you to disagree - obviously you are allowed to. Look around?
But no, you don't have carte blanche to be a total cunt.
Last warning.
"Stop spamming.
Quit with the personal invective too - else you forfeit your opportunity to reply.
Last chance, ok.
I am sick to death of your vile attitude.
I am happy for you to disagree - obviously you are allowed to. Look around?
But no, you don't have carte blanche to be a total cunt.
Last warning."
Oh FUCK YOU asshole. You are nothing but a fucking COWARD. You make a stupid fucking blog. You dont post your REAL name and your stories are written like a fucking 4th grader and you continually contradict yourself. You IGNORE comments when it's convenient for you. You intentionally OMIT crucial parts of posts of mine to try and make a cheap point while OMITTING the MAIN POINT of my post. You are a fucking COWARDLY FRAUD.
You DELETE comments while you bitch and whine about OTHERS doing it to YOU. You threaten to BAN people for using foul language in the SAME fucking sentence that you call them "cunts", showcasing your blatant hypocrisy.
If you're not a FRAUD....POST YOUR REAL NAME. You hide behind your computer in a shroud of secrecy while you condemn others for claiming that government officials do shit in secret and you ridicule secret societies as if they dont exist WHILE YOU KEEP YOUR OWN IDENTITY SECRET.
You piece of shit FRAUD.
FUCK YOU ASSHOLE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT PUSSY
Is 120,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER???
YES OR NO?
Is 120,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER???
YES OR NO?
Is 120,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER???
YES OR NO?
Is 120,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER???
YES OR NO?
Is 120,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER???
YES OR NO?
Is 120,000 deaths a MASSIVE SLAUGHTER???
YES OR NO?
It's a fucking YES/NO question you dumbfucker. ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.
HINT: The answer is either YES or NO. Pick one ASSHOLE.
banned, Larry.
Bye.
Was the Nazi Holocaust of Jews circa 150k?
No.
End of story, Larry.
Even Curt Maynard was allowed to post here. Even Curt Maynard could maintain a civility Larry finds impossible.
I am happy to have criticism, that isn't the issue. Anybody can look through the comments here and see why Larry is banned.
His vitriol has been incessant - for years.
Here's an example of just a single weeks worth of Larry's "contributions" from a few years back:
Larry's style
and Larry has still never answered if he's an architect or not. He's not. Obviously.
But 3 years later and he still hasn't answered. lol.
Bye Larry, it's been.....err....tedious.
Larry forefeited his right to reply.
Here's his site - Real Troof Online - one can find his trash there.
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