Saturday 18 June 2011

The rightwing 'alternative' news echo-box

Rivero's WRH featured a story today - $12bn for war, 1.5m homeless. Nice line, right? Hell, maybe it's even a leftwing article?


The link leads to the full article at Rense. Could there really be a leftwing article at Rense? The article says:
With millions suffering in America, wouldn't it make more sense to spend $12 billion a month on our own people? Wouldn't it make sense to pull them out of poverty by offering jobs, workfare, housing, education and job training?
Well, there's certainly an appeal of sorts there that lefties and most sensible people would be sympathetic to.

However, the writer goes on to then say:
Muslim terrorists can train in a dozen other countries besides Afghanistan. Let's face it; Muslims terrorists train inside the United States at this moment-thanks to our idiot Congress importing 100,000 Muslim immigrants annually. Ask the United Kingdom, France, Spain, Holland, Norway, Sweden, Germany and Denmark about their rapes, bombings, cultural disruption, honor killings and female genital mutilation results with Muslim immigrants.
Ah. Wow. Anybody detect a little hostility there? That's pretty outrageous, and clearly not something that could appeal to the left.

So, an appeal to our better nature - "what about the poor homeless people" - riding along on a real agenda that's anti-muslim and anti-immigration. Likely it's also in fact a racial complaint. Anyway, it certainly looks like (Nazi) National Socialism - "our people" and all that smacks of ultra-nationalism, along with a left-seeming appeal, wrapped in populism.

A little more of their 'socialism':
Could it be that we need to offer jobs to 14 million Americans rather than keep China's people working as they sell us everything we buy from "Free trade" agreements brought to us by our U.S. Congress?
How would they manage that without socialism? And yet, clearly, the writer is not a socialist - it isn't an appeal to socialists, really.
My point is this: we suffer enough problems in our own country to fill Lake Superior. But we ignore them to battle camel jockeys and goat herders in two countries 10,000 miles away.
Not an appeal to international socialism is it? The appeal is more one of National Socialism - Nazism.

Anyway.........the article claims that:
"There are 770,000 homeless children enrolled in public education systems," said a spokesperson at Homeless Support Network. www.homelessus.org


Now, I read that and thought 750k homeless children in public education system in USA.....sounds a lot.

I went to check the source the article gives.

It doesn't exist.

I can't find any website, or reference to one, with that name, or anything like it. I haven't looked that extensively, but it doesn't appear at all anywhere so far.

I checked, and the only place this supposed source ever appears in Google is in other references to this same Rense article. (!) Typical.

The Rense article is by Frosty Wooldridge - a pseudonym if ever there was one. But his one single source www.homelessus.org does not exist. Click it and see?

So, I looked for all the places where this supposed statistic from a non-existent website appears. The same story - with all its prejudice and national socialism - appears again and again, and with the same phony website statistic.

Interestingly, and unsurprisingly, this nasty and phony article shows up at all sorts of conspiracy sites, "Truth sites", "alternative news" sites, patriot sites.....all the usual shitty places one would expect.

None of them ever checked the phony link? None of them cared about the anti-muslim and anti-immigrant slurs?

This is how far-right rubbish is distributed through their network. 911 Troof exists in the same network - it's about the only place 911Troof continues at all.


http://www.nwotruth.com/12-billion-for-them-1-5-million-homeless-for-us/
Notice how this time it says "a spokesperson for the Homeless Support Network"? Who are they? See if you can find out? No link in this version. Note the site - NWO News.


http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=61287&view=getnewpost

The Un Hived Mind? Reproducing the same old rubbish? Ok.


http://beforeitsnews.com/story/722/165/12_billion_for_them;_1.5_million_homeless_for_us.html

Before it's News? What if it's never news?


http://thenewsbomb.com/2011/06/16/12-billion-for-them-1-5-million-homeless-for-us/


http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty671.htm


http://truthiscontagious.com/2011/06/17/12-billion-for-them-15-million-homeless-for-us

Truth Is Contagious?


On and on it goes.

Dishonest, prejudiced, hateful and shameless. Repeated, ad nauseum. And no-one notices, nor cares?

20 comments:

Real Truth Online said...

"I haven't looked that extensively, but it doesn't appear at all anywhere so far."

Do you look extensively for ANYTHING?? We all know your research skills match that of a baby chimp....that's why you can't/refuse to/will not answer my question on WHERE you found that the FBI said OBL was guilty for 9/11 BEFORE his supposed death last month. You posted Wagner's bullshit. I debunked it. You said NOTHING in response.

Real Truth Online said...

I meant Watson.

the_last_name_left said...

Straight off-topic, Larry. Tidy.


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L: that's why you can't/refuse to/will not answer my question on WHERE you found that the FBI said OBL was guilty for 9/11 BEFORE his supposed death last month.
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I already did --- I posted this:

"Testimony of Dale L. Watson, Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division, FBI

Before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
February 6, 2002
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"The transnational Al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden has clearly emerged as the most urgent threat to U.S. interests. The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable."
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Testimony to Senate. Like it or not, Larry baby, that certainly *is* the FBI saying OBL/AQ implicated for 911.

That was in 2002.

You "debunked" it by saying he didn't give any explicit evidence.

That isn't what you asked for.

Your claim was that both FBI and Cheney affirmed they had no evidence linking OBL to 911. In fact neither things are true - you are telling lies. That's been proven.

Real Truth Online said...

"You "debunked" it by saying he didn't give any explicit evidence.

That isn't what you asked for.

Your claim was that both FBI and Cheney affirmed they had no evidence linking OBL to 911. In fact neither things are true - you are telling lies. That's been proven."

No, you fucking bold-faced LIAR, I said THIS about Watson:

Watson said this:

"The transnational Al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden has clearly emerged as the most urgent threat to U.S. interests. The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable."

Then he fails to list this "irrefutable evidence". In fact, this "evidence" was SO "irrefutable" that the FBI did not add 9/11 to his FBI Most Wanted List profile---as I have REPEATEDLY said.

Watson later says this [you CONVENIENTLY OMIT]

"In addition, numerous individuals have been indicted for their involvement in terrorist activities and are currently being sought by the FBI. Usama Bin Laden and 15 other subjects stand indicted for their roles in Al-Qaeda and the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa. Three additional subjects are in custody in the United Kingdom but are expected to be extradited soon to stand trial in the SDNY."

Notice how Watson OMITS 9/11 as one of the indictable acts of OBL. You OMIT that. How convenient.

Watson then says:

"In October 2001 the FBI established the Most Wanted Terrorists program to focus expanded attention on indicted terrorist suspects. Usama Bin Laden was among the first 22 names placed on this list. In June 1998 Bin Laden had been named to the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list."

No mention of 9/11 there EITHER. Hmmmmm. Know why?? Because he was NEVER indicted for 9/11-----yet he claims there is "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE". LOL

"That's 9 years Troofers have missed noticing it. Wow - Troofer research, huh?"

I missed NOTHING you lying, dishonest TURD you.

YOU are the one who OMITS crucial portions of Watson's text in which he OMITS mention of 9/11. You OMIT that because it doesn't mesh with YOUR pre-conceived conclusion...that OBL was accused by the FBI of carrying out 9/11.

For Watson to even IMPLY there is "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE" and then not only OMIT listing this evidence, but then OMITS mention of 9/11 for OBL's indictable offenses/crimes is laugh-out-loud hilarious......and stupid ignorant fucks like YOU buy his bullshit!

Real Truth Online said...

Watson DID NOT LIST the evidence.

Watson DID NOT MENTION 9/11 AS ONE OF OBL'S INDICTABLE OFFENSES.

You OMITTED crucial portions of Watson's text of which he OMITS 9/11 in reference to OBL.

I SPECIFICALLY asked for you to provide EVIDENCE that someone ACCUSED OBL of being RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11 BASED ON EVIDENCE PRIOR to his supposed recent death. Watson DID NOT DO THIS since he OMITTED 9/11 in EVERY SENTENCE IN REFERENCE TO OBL.

I just re-posted Watson's OWN WORDS where he makes a CLAIM that OBL's NETWORK [NOT OBL HIMSELF] was responsible but provides NO EVIDENCE.

Can I say YOU carried out 9/11 despite no evidence??? Hmmm???

the_last_name_left said...

No.

You had claimed the FBI (and Cheney) had said there was no evidence linking OBL to 911.

You lied.

I have shown you where the FBI implicated OBL and AQ for 911 BEFORE OBL's death.

That's what you asked for - that's what you got.

You're just trying to change the issue, so as to squirm out of admitting you are dead wrong - about both Cheney and FBIs view of evidence against OBL and AQ.

You persist in saying it is otherwise - you are a liar.

Real Truth Online said...

"I have shown you where the FBI implicated OBL and AQ for 911 BEFORE OBL's death."

There was NO evidence that OBL was involved in 9-11. Watson even ADMITTED it by his OMISSION of 9-11 in reference to OBL. I posted his fucking quotes!!!! He OMITTED 9-11 in EVERY statement involving OBL!!!

The link you provided had NO link to the ENTIRE Cheney interview. Youre a fucking BLATANT LIAR.

Real Truth Online said...

""The transnational Al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden has clearly emerged as the most urgent threat to U.S. interests. The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable."

Yep. It's SO "irrefutable" that he doesn't PROVIDE the evidence---nor did ANYONE in the FBI in the next 9 years.

"In addition, numerous individuals have been indicted for their involvement in terrorist activities and are currently being sought by the FBI. Usama Bin Laden and 15 other subjects stand indicted for their roles in Al-Qaeda and the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa. Three additional subjects are in custody in the United Kingdom but are expected to be extradited soon to stand trial in the SDNY."

No mention of 9-11 there!!!

"In October 2001 the FBI established the Most Wanted Terrorists program to focus expanded attention on indicted terrorist suspects. Usama Bin Laden was among the first 22 names placed on this list. In June 1998 Bin Laden had been named to the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list."

No mention of 9-11 there either!

But you claim 9-11 is there when it's CLEARLY not! LOL. Where has your sock puppet Socrates been??

the_last_name_left said...

L: Watson even ADMITTED it by his OMISSION of 9-11 in reference to OBL.
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Larry, please learn to read?

Watson said:

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The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable.
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Do you see it?

Do you see it says Al Qaeda AND Bin Laden?

Jeez. Can't you do better than that? [No, obviously]

Real Truth Online said...

"The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable.
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Do you see it?

Do you see it says Al Qaeda AND Bin Laden?"

But then provides ZERO evidence. Hmmm, thought it was CLEAR and IRREFUTABLE? Yet he DOESNT PROVIDE IT.

I can make a claim that YOU carried out 9/11. Is it TRUE because I said it???

the_last_name_left said...

You can say it, and it would be true that you had said it.

That's the case here. Which you had denied.

The FBI said way back in early 2002 that "the evidence linking AQ and OBL to 911 was clear and irrefutable".

The actual evidence is irrelevant to the issue of whether they said they had it, or not.

They did say they had it.

You had claimed otherwise and you went on to ask for evidence the FBI said they had such evidence BEFORE OBL's recent assassination.

That is what you got. Accept it.

the_last_name_left said...

what's the usual thing when police are investigating a crime? Do they make public the details of the evidence they have so far discovered?

No. They might do, but only if they felt it would help them. Most likely they will not reveal their evidence, as it betrays the state of the inquiries. What we haven't yet found is XYZ.....oh yeah, sure they're going to say that.

And no indictment for 911? So what? OBL was indicted for something else already....much better to leave it at that until one has him and needs to file anything further.

Al Capone was done on tax evasion, apparently, right? Not for running the mafia and whatnot.

Honestly, Troofers need much more than this - this is nothing. It's silly, not a serious threat to the grand conspiracy.....doh!

Now, back on topic, please?

Real Truth Online said...

"what's the usual thing when police are investigating a crime? Do they make public the details of the evidence they have so far discovered?

No. They might do, but only if they felt it would help them. Most likely they will not reveal their evidence, as it betrays the state of the inquiries. What we haven't yet found is XYZ.....oh yeah, sure they're going to say that."

Oh brother! You're comparing our government bombing countries and launching two wars that kill thousands of troops based on a LACK OF EVIDENCE with POLICE investigations???

If you want to make a comparison between what our government actually DID and what police do, then you should have made the analogy...the CORRECT analogy of what police would HAD to have done in this particular case if they were mimicking the actions of our government.

In the particular case of OBL and the two wars we launched, the POLICE would have done their investigation, then "suspected" OBL carried out 9/11 [not ACCUSED] and then when they discovered there was NO EVIDENCE that OBL did it, they would have marched the entire police force into his country [AND ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM] and began shooting and bombing. THEN, AFTER they bomb his country AND the other one that has nothing to do with anything, they FAIL to post his picture and his crime on their own police website. Instead they post OTHER lesser crimes on it, but OMIT the huge crime.

So, in the future, if you want to make stupid comparisons like this, make sure you expand your analogy to include what police SHOULD have done if they were mimicking what our government DID do.

Asshole.

the_last_name_left said...

L: when they discovered there was NO EVIDENCE that OBL did it....
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Why do you say that?

What makes you believe "there was no evidence OBL did it"?

Real Truth Online said...

"What makes you believe "there was no evidence OBL did it"?"

The fact that NONE has ever been produced by the FBI....EVER---DICKHEAD. Even Watson does not list ANY evidence in that link you sent!!!

Because there's NONE.

You say NO?

Produce it then.

the_last_name_left said...

L: The fact that NONE has ever been produced by the FBI....EVER---DICKHEAD.
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Another infraction. DICKHEAD? IS that necessary Larry? Keep going and you're banned. Heed the warnings, and you can post what you like (no spamming). Otherwise, the ban hammer is coming.

Back to the point.......

If the FBI has never made the evidence public.....does that mean that no evidence exists?

Real Truth Online said...
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the_last_name_left said...

Larry forefeited his right to reply.


Here's his site - Real Troof Online - one can find his trash there.

Real Truth Online said...
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the_last_name_left said...

Here's FrostyWooldridge's website

http://www.frostywooldridge.com/

Seems to me to be part of the far-right use of ecology and environmentalism, mostly to control immigration.