Saturday, 19 June 2010

Rivero on Terrorism. Islam and the far-right

If one's premises lead to a logical conclusion which is absurd, there's something wrong with your premises.
MR@WRH: Indeed, given that acts of terror undermine the very public support needed by the so-called "terrorists" to bring about change, it may be argued that there are in fact no genuine acts of terror; that they are all manufactured events to be blamed on the groups wishing to challenge the status quo.
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But what if groups who want to obliterate the status quo actually undertake terrorism? It isn't impossible - indeed, it's ridiculous to assume it never happens and therefore it must all be manufactured. How stupid! Taking such a position removes all responsibility from terrorism itself - its political goals, its ideological content and the organisations/individuals which support and sustain it.

Rivero's conception is that 'all terorism is "fake terror"' - a complete absolving of responsibility, and a transference of it to....whom/what?:

"FAKE TERROR -
THE ROAD TO WAR AND DICTATORSHIP

Michael Rivero
It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating the enemies you need."
Is it? The oldest trick?
The Reichstag fire was a disaster for Communists because they received the blame for starting it, but it was a dream come true for Hitler and his cohorts as it allowed them to turn Germany into a dictatorship.
It seems clear though that the Communists were not responsible. But Rivero's next sentence runs:
Did the Bush administration try the same trick on September 11, 2001?

The victims of the 9/11 attacks have been disaster for Muslims because 19 Arabs were named as hijackers of the plane
[SIC] A poor sentence by Rivero, nevertheless, blaming 911 on "muslims" [who did do it*] is hardly the same as blaming communists for the Reichstag when they didn't do it! (*the evidence points to what it does - and nobody with any sense claims it was "muslims" who did it - the evidence points to radical, fundamentalist elements of Islam - which surely do not represent the entirety of Islam and all muslims, and cannot reasonably regarded as such. The charge is not "muslims did it" - but certain sections/sects/schools of Islam-ism......Al Qaida. That's what the evidence points to.]

Why should we accept all terrorism is "manufactured" based on such an argument? Communists didn't do the Reichstag therefore extreme Islam-ism-ists can't have done 911, nor Bali, nor London, nor Madrid! All terrorism is manufactured - it doesn't actually exist!

Rivero gives a hint of who he's suggesting really is responsible, and now it isn't a government administration as earlier suggested - it's morphing into something else:
"[The 911 attacks have] been a dream come true for the PNAC 'think-tank'"
PNAC is associated with 911 conspiracy, predominantly with a anti-Zionsit/anti-semitic slant. Israel/Jewish conspiracy. PNAC does have a lot of seemingly obvious pro-Israel influence, of course, but it also has a lot of Turkish influence. Several of the members are now registered as representing Turkish State Interests in USA.....Perle for example. [Doesn't that cause problems for Bill Kristol's WeeklyStandard etc? No?] The names that show up for PNAC - which conspiracists all know and associate with Israel - also show in Sibel Edmonds' accusations - but in association with Turkey! But no-one much notices. Rivero doesn't.....
MR: There can be only one reason for the above - 9/11 wasn't a surprise attack, it was a governmentally orchestrated "catastrophic and catalyzing event".
So, American and German (and Israeli!) governments are capable, if not compelled to produce 'fake terror'. But the Turkish state, Iran, Taliban, Al Qaida, cannot do so - they cannot/will not produce real terror. It just doesn't exist. This is fantasy.
MR: bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the 9-11 attacks.
Bin Laden sounds like Rivero, then:
Rivero: The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, "experts", and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable.

Bin Laden: "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."
Rivero does a good job for Bin Laden......and imagine if Rivero's completely wrong and Bin Laden is responsible? Rivero position looks pretty sick then. Look at his defence of Bin laden:
To date, the only shred of “evidence” to be uncovered against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake.

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America.
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Bin Laden is exonerated, and "Zionists" blamed instead.

Rivero's argument starts at the Reichstag and concludes "Jews did 911....!!"

Worth noting that Rivero here accepts the deceptiveness of Nazism to make his argument about extremes of Government deception - Reichstag, Gleiwitz radio station. But this doesn't seem to effect his view of the Holocaust, about which he all too keen to believe the Nazis and their apologists. Nor does it ever seem to impinge on his wider support for Nazism at all in any way. This seems a familiar theme amongst these crypto-fascist conspiracists -- they only criticise Nazism by inference, when they wish to make their targets look bad eg claims like "the government acts like the Nazis by blaming Muslims for 911", or, "Gaza is like Warsaw! A concentration camp!" etc. Suddenly concentration camps and the Ghettos are an historic fact!! At least one might expect so? Furthermore, most people making such complaints would happily turn the tables and subject their supposed enemies (the Jews) to the same. Such people don't oppose events or the status quo on principle - only their position within it. They're pissed because they're powerless - but they'd happily change places. No deep principle at work.
Michael Rivero: Let us consider that the war began with the attack on the USS Liberty. Let us freeze Israel's assets in the US the way Palestinian and Arab assets have been frozen. Let us treat suspected Israeli spies and terrorists the way suspected Arab spies and terrorist are treated.
This is very similar to Rivero's many calls for hackers to be sent to Guantanamo. Good enough for hackers, but an outrage for Islamic warriors? Hmmm.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ehud Barack didnt help the 9-11 plot? Go figure.

Al-CIA-duh did it.

And liberals ought to unite with neo-nazis to destroy all Islam and its implication, which makes Hitler look like a cub scout. Islam isnt just hate speech and actions, it is a satanism that makes the devil tremble.

After liberals and neo nazis defeat the Islamo-satanists, then they can go back to their previous disputes.

the_last_name_left said...

eh?

socrates said...

Perhaps the person is saying that you as a liberal have joined forces with neonazis who are the Joos. I have my new entry up at DFQ2 highlighting your beat down on Rivero but also covering this strange spin that Jooos are Nazis.

There's a twisted logic here which is simply the regurgitation of memes this person has read at specific hate sites. Even Rivero has linked to articles claiming the Jooos brought on the attacks by Hitler. I think the troll is being facetious with his satanic reference.

socrates said...

By the way, I didn't realise eh is Canadian for wtf. All bow to the satanic last bullwinkle left. p:>

socrates said...

The schtick is that Joos act as neonazis in an attempt to sully the noble cause of white nationalism. That's the ticket. That's the idiotic rub.

the_last_name_left said...

maybe. I can't make sense of it...

:D

People talk in riddles.....irritates me.

Y - I saw the entry at DFQ2. Tidy. ;)

I came across an excellent description for Rivero and co - though it is much wider than that and adumbrates a more general position : demopath (people who use the language and rights provided by democracy so as to destroy it eg Islam and Nazism - funnily enough.)

I'll post it in a new entry.....