Larry jumps the shark - as they say

Larry aka RealTruthOnline has "jumped the shark" as they say.

For years, Larry (and all the other conspiracist twats) have been arguing that Al Qaida was really a false-front for American Imperialism. They said AQ was really the CIA, and everything it did was working to further American (elite) interests.

Now, however, Larry (along with many others - including Ron Paul) is arguing that Al Qaida and 911 shows that interventionist American foreign policy is a problem. They argue that "Get out of supporting Israel (and being the world's policeman) then there will be no Al Qaida attacks."

But if one is to believe that, and one accepts the conspiracy premises, it would mean the CIA and the "real power" behind America wants America to be non-interventionist. That's despite Larry and all the conspiracist crazies arguing that the supposed false-flag Al Qaida stuff is designed to get America TO intervene and that AQ exists merely to provide a justification for global intervention - the war on terror etc.

It doesn't make any sense. (Don't let that surprise you!)

Larry writes that Ron Paul said this (about interventionism) :

“As long as this country follows that idea, we’re going to be under a lot of danger. This whole idea that the whole Muslim world is responsible for this and they’re attacking us because we’re free and prosperous, that is just not true. Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda have been explicit, they have been explicit and they wrote and said that we attacked America because you had bases on our holy land in Saudi Arabia, you do not give Palestinians a fair treatment and you have been bombing…[crowd boos]…I didn’t say that, I’m trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing. At the same time, we had been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years. Would you be annoyed? If you’re not annoyed, there’s some problem.”

So Ron Paul is saying AQ attacked America because of its intervention in the Mid East, whatever. But people like Larry have been saying for 10 years that AQ is a false-front, and that their purpose (a la 911) is legitimising intervention in the Mid East etc.

You can't have it both ways.

If you are going to argue AQ is an extension of the CIA blah blah blah, and that it is designed to legitimise American intervention in the Middle East, legitimise American wars, legitimise Israeli wars for Israeli interests....you cannot then argue that AQ represents genuine Arab opinion and is caused by American interventionism.

If you are going to argue (as Ron Paul is doing) that the 911 attacks illustrate why the USA should not be involved abroad (especially the Mid East) - because it generates terrorism ---- you CANNOT then argue that AQ is a false-flag operation designed to enable American intervention in the Mid East etc.

Wow.

Ron Paul is in deep shit over this. Or at least he should be.

All anyone has to do to finish Ron Paul is put it to him -

1) are AQ representing genuine muslim/MidEast issues with American interventionism/Imperialism - in which case we(USA) should withdraw if we want to avoid terrorism (the anti-interventionist line)

or

2) are AQ a false-flag, CIA-run organisation providing a justification for American intervention in MidEast etc (the usual conspiracist rendition of the situation)

It's quite amusing how much of RP's support rests upon both premises without ever seeing the dichotomy. A la Larry.

If one accepts the conspiracist angle, as so many Ron Paul supporters do, we can rewrite Ron Paul's speech like this:

The CIA (via their controlled asset, Al Qaida) are saying that ......"we attacked America because you had bases on holy land in Saudi Arabia, you do not give Palestinians a fair treatment and you have been bombing....and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years."

Does anybody believe that represents the real beliefs of those in the CIA? Does anybody think that is what the CIA is really about? Yet if the conspiracists are to be believed, and AQ is merely a CIA front, then that represents the real intent of the CIA - the real reason for the CIA running Al Qaida.

What complete (and self-evident) rubbish!!!

Ron Paul is playing it both ways. He is either taking the 911 Troofers for fools (why not?) or he is playing Joe Public as a fool. Either way, RP has dropped Troofers right in it.

Not that they will notice. Larry didn't.

Larry writes:

It turns out that Ron Paul is correct. In a 1998 interview conducted by ABC’s John Miller, Bin Laden said these words:

“The call to wage war against America was made because America has spear-headed the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two Holy Mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics, and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control. These are the reasons behind the singling out of America as a target."

So, you see, if AQ is a CIA-run front organisation, then what the CIA and "the real power behind America" wants is.....a cessation of the war against Islam, cessation of meddling in the affairs of Islam, an end to support for oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regimes. etc. haha. It's scarcely credible is it? Ron Paul is either trying to deceive the American public, or he's just crapped over the whole idea of AQ as a false-front, CIA entity. Troofers please take note? You can't have it both ways.