This wouldn't post as a comment (in reply to Marty)

It's true, isn't it? That many jewish people are extraordinarily successful.....and some are just regularly successful....and...others just regular failures. I'm assuming most of that (but why not?)

Jews are found on both sides of the divide: capitalism and communism. Yet that divide doesn't even exist to the anti-semitic conspiracist mindset, preferring as it does to imagine that both communism and capitalism are 'two sides of the same coin': a supposedly false dichotomy entirely fabricated by world jewry to deceive the peons into fighting one another.

As someone whom believes in class and class conflict as a major driving force of history, a socialist and an egalitarian, I see the conspiracist view of 'communism and capitalism being two sides of the same coin' as a complete surrender to capitalism - a conservatism approaching that of the Catholic Church or Islam with their promises of Heaven once one's suffering is done. Completely ridiculous.

I do think I can see the world outside of the binary constraints of (marxist?) class war too. I can think like that in an abstract sense, but I feel as the default so much of what Marx says (rather, what I understand it to say).

In that sense, I couldn't give a fig even if the joooos were in control of the world, or trying to achieve it. What difference would it make? Do Jews face a completely different material reality to anyone else? Have they lived someplace else the last 200,000 years? Are they not descended from a common ancestor with apes, like the rest of us?

I don't think so, somehow. Call it intuition? lol

I think it's all completely ridiculous. Like capitalism and socialism are 'the same thing'! Note that this accusation comes from moral and intellectual pygmies - not some radical school of new rejectionists of old modernity proposing something truly new. Such accusations only come from.........capitalists. anti-socialists. Libertarians! HA - what a name. American libertarians are jumped-up radical capitalists - without fail in my experience.

Libertarianism is the umbilical between anarchism and capitalism. Libertarianism and anarchism are frauds imo. My first real political thought was to recognise myself an anarchist. Then I started learning. I'm no anarchist. [I would rather be free of all laws too, but, I'm a realist, moral, constructive. Why abandon the golden rule? Why shouldn't you face disincentives to do so? Just like why shouldn't petrol burn? Why should we get hungry? Ideally, you should be able to do what you want, never go hungry and petrol should only burn if you want it to. But the universe isn't like that. Certainly not yet, at least.]

I'm very grateful to my socialism for providing me a way to see the prevalence of present-day anti-semitism. Without my socialism I suspect I wouldn't have had the nonce to see through what people (like Mr Rivero) were telling me.

That's pretty depressing when acknowledging so few people seem genuinely socialist. But, that's what one should expect, I guess - anti-semitism in an anti-socialist world. I see some of Marx's apparent anti-semitism through that perspective : jewish perspectives are formed from the same material conditions that everyone else's are formed from, and Marx was scathing enough of those, so why not of Jews? Of course, as with all peoples of any identity, jews have their own particular story, but nevertheless, why shouldn't Marx be as scornful of their particularities as he was of everyone else's? Dead simple - Marx did not think jews were responsible for capitalism nor did he think Jews were necessarily any different from any other people, essentially. blah blah blah. The guy was a radical materialist, charges of racism seem ridiculous. If Marx had lived post-Hitler (!) would he have used such phrasing as he did? I don't believe it for a second.

But, yes, this (anti-semitic) conspiracism lark of communism being 'the other side of the coin' to capitalism? The people whom say this - conspiracists - mean it in the sense that the dichotomy between socialism and capitalism is entirely false and that a whole world of intellectual blunders have been made because of this misunderstanding. And to them it isn't a misunderstanding, it's a purposefully created falsehood - 'a false dichotomy' - and all part of 'the grand plan' which has used the entire (false) 'socialism versus capitalism' thing as part of its grand plan for world domination. The battle between labour and capital - the class war - it's a mere distraction. Apparently.

This is the basic rationale of wide swathes of opinion on the internet - although the extent of obvious anti-semitism differs throughout the various renderings of this grand tale. Nevertheless, even the least anti-semitic radical conspiracism tends to rely and reiterate the exact same 'information' and 'research' found at the most radical far-right, racist, fascist elements - Stormfront, the Klan, neo-Nazism, etc.

In ways the less obviously offensive outlets are the more dangerous: people let their guard down. The far-right and anti-semitism - shorn of swaztikas and searchlights - are pernicious, gossipy, soundbite-y, simplistic. INNOCUOUS. The far-right is well-aware of this, much more so than even the politically motivated 'average net user'. The far-right is extreme - and hence those that form it are necessarily very committed. The far-right exploits it and few are even aware it happens. (I openly and proudly declare myself as a socialist - and as a democrat. My commitment to democracy means I must declare my position as a socialist - and my position as a socialist means I must declare my democracy. Why would I wish to deceive anyone? Much of the far-right is dishonest, and refuses to admit its commitment and principles. They know their own views are shameful and unpopular. Whereas 'unpopular socialism' is an oxymoron, in principle, at least.)

Socialism and democracy and very closely linked. How could you have one without the other, really? Instead we have a semblance of democracy, wherein private finance protects and promotes special interests - and class interest. That's the deal? And so the jewish lobby, jewish culture, jewish people are amongst it. Along with everyone else. Big deal.

There's a clear anti-semitism when people try to suggest only jewish people are susceptible to - and the sole cause of - all these events and circumstances. It's ridiculous.

But what does one have left if one rejects socialism as a true alternative to capitalism? What else but ridicule can there be for anyone whom suggests socialism and capitalism are 'the same thing'? The people whom say this consider themselves without an ideology. I find that really quite amusing. No ideology? Apart from the ideologies that hold it is possible to operate as a human without an ideology?!

I have no ideology! There's no left or right! So they say. [They broaden this into a scheme (absent ideology!) of capitalism equalling communism(the same thing, two sides of the same coin, etc)]

Invariably such schemes lead straight to hardcore anti-semitism. Pursue any of the the lines and there's an anti-semitism to be found. At least, that's how it seems to me.

I'd argue conspiracism has a very, very close bond to anti-semitism : anti-semitism often takes the form of conspiracism and conspiracism seem invariably to be anti-semitic at its core. The overlap is obvious, even if one can imagine a conspiracism without anti-semitism. The position of conspiracist is a plausible one for someone whom isn't anti-semitic, maybe. However, adopting the ideas and methods of conspiracism make one more inclined towards anti-semitism simply because much of the narrative of anti-semitism is that of a conspiracy. It's form is the same narrative Hitler used to propel his new German myth. The neo-Nazis and plenty of others still believe this tripe. And it is already seeded and dispersed throughout the so-called 911 Truth Movement, the Patriot Movement and even apparently traditional socialist, liberal and conservative redoubts. Why wouldn't it?

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