Showing posts with label 911 Truth. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 911 Truth. Show all posts

Sunday, 13 November 2011

Banned from Big Dan's Little Fascist Blog - Again

So confident of their "Troofiness" are Big Dan and his side-kick-parrot, Plunger, that they can't stand the least criticism. When asked to stand up claims about the dancing Israelis and UMS being MOSSAD (claims made by their Fascist sources but which Dan, Plunger and 911 Troof repeat ad nauseum as FACT) they blathered various vague and inconsequential rubbish about Jews - even citing 1954 and such like. All the usual rubbish, but nothing to substantiate the claims of their fascist sources - AmericanFreePress and Chris Bollyn.

Big Dan's is yet another little fascist, conspiracy hole that purports to criticise fascism whilst promoting Fascist sources, Fascist views, Fascist news.

Big Dan's Little Fascist Blog links to former AFP writer Chris Bollyn under the heading, "Fighting Fascism". It includes a listing for Willis Carto's American Free Press under the heading "NEWS" and Mike Rivero's WhatReallyHappened appears under a heading of "THE BEST NEWS".

Big Dan defends his use of the Fascist Press on the grounds it is "more honest" than mainstream. Dan offered Bollyn's book on 911 (which scapegoats Jews, obviously) as evidence.

Anyway, after proving Bollyn, Big Dan and Plunger to be liars making claims based on nothing, they banned me, and deleted my comments. Again. The usual response of the Troofy wing of the Fascist party.



For some previous on 'Big Dan's Little Fascist Blog' - here.

Highlights include recommendation to read Hitler's Last Testament, so as to get the real lowdown on Jooos. Other sources include various Carto organs, Benjamin Freedman, Father Coughlin, William Luther Pierce....you know, the usual leftwing, liberal and anti-fascist stuff, right? Sure. Far-right dude! Errr, I mean "Far out!"

Monday, 12 September 2011

FBI documents on "5 dancing Israelis"

Someone has used FOIA to obtain the FBI documents for their investigation into the infamous "5 dancing Israelis" of 911, often supposed by conspiracists to be direct evidence of Israeli responsibility, an 'inside job', whatever.

The documents are available via a blogpost, here. The website is called, Zionism Stinks. At least they proclaim their bias, eh?

Read the entire document as I did (500 pages of forms) and one is left with the near-certainty that there's absolutely nothing to this story. Absolutely nothing.

The real story is how such a paucity of cause has led to 10 years of suspicion, and direct claims of Israeli-state involvement. Ridiculous.

I can only see the whole thing as an illustration of prejudice. How else to explain 10 years of claims about (Jewish/Israeli) conspiracy? The documents simply do not provide any justification for it.

People like Rivero use people like Ryan Dawson to make outrageous claims, all to serve an anti-semitic and conspiracist agenda. People like Ryan Dawson bleat that they aren't anti-semitic, yet they embrace and promote people such as Mike Rivero, and sources and audiences such as WhatReallyHappened.com

The fact is, the far-right seek to discredit and undermine confidence in the democratic-liberal state, whilst simultaneously blaming Jews for it. They make use of whomever and whatever they can.

This "dancing Israeli" rubbish is just one vector for the process.

Of course "Israeli" doesn't quite strictly mean "Jew", but it's close enough for the anti-semite. That's the value of people like Ryan Dawson to Rivero - Dawson doesn't have to say "JEW", Rivero can say it, and each of their audiences understands what is meant anyway. Who doesn't? To illustrate:

Dawson writes explicitly that "911 was the Mossad." Attempting to innoculate himself from charges of anti-semitism, he adds: "Understand that Israel is not Jewish people OK please get that through your warped heads."

(Why does he think every reader's head is warped?)

So, 'Israel is not Jewish people'? Ok. But then what race and religion is he referring to here when he expounds on the real perps:
[Mossad]is not an Israeli intelligence agency per say it is a terrorist agency for the military industrial complex which feeds off of the hatred of the bigots and useful idiots concentrated in Israel. The US and Israel are not really different countries in a way. The US and Israeli agencies and their Neocon governments work for their own interests and those interests are guided by a racist, political ideology mixed up with a fascist version of a religion and Straussian philosophy.
Sorry, but the carefully avoided word there is "JEW" - in both the religious and ethnic senses. If they are guided by racism, then what race is meant if not Jew? And likewise the 'fascist religion' - what does that mean if not Judaism? It's disingenuous of Dawson to claim he doesn't target Jews or Judaism - he clearly does - but in a convoluted fashion.

This is how "dancing Israelis" becomes anti-semitism.

I noted previously how Dawson had turned the "dancing Israeli" story from myth and conjecture into solid fact. He claims:
"individuals were caught on 911 with explosives.....and worked for an intelligence agency of a foreign country that benefited from 911.....and lied about Anthrax, the war and everything that followed it..."
Mossad and Israel....which according to Dawson supposedly run America for their own interests - ie of the Jewish race and the Jewish religion.

The utility of this to the anti-semitic far-right is obvious and seems the most likely reason for Rivero's patronage and promotion of Dawson.

But check the actual FBI documents and there is absolutely no reason to imagine the 'dancing' Israelis were Mossad agents. They're a bunch of punks, at least one of which was found in possession of a hash bong-pipe (illegal). They were working for a boss who purposefully employed illegals so as to underpay them and to avoid payroll taxes - and whom one employee described to the FBI as "a crook". Another interviewee described one of the supposed perps as "a clown" and incapable of involvement in 911. Moreover, none of the photos the 'dancers' took showed the WTC before the first plane had hit. They, along with the rest of NewYork, only took an interest in the WTC after the first plane had hit and the building began burning/smoking.

The FBI (seemingly perfectly appropriately) concluded there was no reason whatsoever to imagine these people were involved and so handed jurisdiction to the INS (because of visa expiry issues) before their subsequent deportation. There seems to be absolutely nothing in any of it re 911, Mossad, inside-job, explosives, truck-bombs.......NOTHING.

Yet in the hands of 'the Real 911 Troof movement" - such as Dawson and Rivero - this non-story becomes the foundation of a vast anti-semitic tale of unchecked Israeli and Mossad subversion of America explaining everything from the Anthrax attacks to the banking crisis, the Iraq war and most everything else.

Even as Dawson claims he doesn't target Jews or Judaism, he clearly does. Moreover, his work (outrageous unsupported cconspiracism) is promoted by anti-semites such as Rivero, with Dawson's full consent and support. Dawson even stated he was 'happy to get the traffic' when David Duke promoted him.

When the ADL (accurately) criticise such people for using their outrageous unfounded claims to promote anti-semitic conspiracism, Dawson & Rivero et al just add the ADL to the conspiracy, and flat-out deny the charges (which they nevertheless feel a need to misrepresent rather than properly address).

911 conspiracy is the biggest lot of rot I have ever come across. It is no surprise that in 10 years 'the movement' has produced nothing of substance and has gained no traction, crackpots notwithstanding. What a waste of 10 years.

Sunday, 11 September 2011

ADL criticise Ryan Dawson

The ADL have criticised 911 Troof conspiracism, including Ryan Dawson, AKA Rys2Sense.

Dawson responded in an open letter thus:
It seems to me that the ADL wants to quickly paint questioning 911 as akin to racism in order to prevent investigation.
Dawson says this even though in his own most recent video he himself criticises the presence of Joooo obsessed Troofers in his 'movement' - including people promoting William Pierce's National Alliance and "jew this, jew that".

So Dawson's own video vindicates the general point of the ADL's criticism of 911 Troof.

But anyway, WhatReallyHappened linked to a website carrying the ADL's criticism of 911 Truth and Ryan Dawson. The website is called 'theinfounderground', the specific page is here.

Ryan Dawson's letter appears in a thread introduced as "ADL goes after Ryan Dawson and Mike Delany".

Folowwing the letter, there are some revealing responses. The first:
Fuck the ADL
We support our 2 friends

Word for Word truth from our 2 friends
Friends? Third response:
Yeah... I guess our buddies Mike D. and Ryan D. are "capturing" the younger generation to a degree...their Anti-Jew Scam videos on 9/11 must have hit a "magic" number... ADL Scam J'Tards always fear the next generation is going give them the boot!
Buddies? Their Anti-Jew Scam videos on 911?

This is right after Dawson's letter in which he is claiming his 'movement' is not anti-semitic, and that the ADL uses criticism of anti-semitism as a means to protect Israel!

Well, Dawson is either ignorant of his precious 'movement' or he is being dishonest about its (anti-semitic) character.

A later entry in the thread links another page elsewhere but which was also directly linked to from WhatReallyHappened. At this page the first lines read:
"Being labeled an "anti-Semite" is an honor these days. All it means is someone who is against the Jewish criminal gang that dominates the global power structure."
SOURCE
The old anti-semite as hero malarkey.

This was linked to from a site of which Ryan Dawson is a member - WhatReallyHappened.com. Dawson and the webmaster Mike Rivero seem pretty chummy, they've long been promoting each other, now they're calling themselves "the real truth movement" yada yada.

But Dawson isn't an anti-semite.....and his movement isn't either. So he says.

Well, what about WhatReallyHappened.com linking direct to these clearly anti-semitic places and them treating Ryan Dawson as a friend and buddy? These people are yanking the chain on anti-semitism.......yet they consider Ryan 'anti-racist' Dawson a friend!

Peculiar.

According to Dawson, himself and Rivero are 'the real Truth movement'.

Whilst Dawson is opining about how 911 Troof is not anti-semitic we have his ally Rivero linking to all sorts of crud and proving that it most certainly is anti-semitic.

And these people - Rivero and Dawson - are supposedly "allies"?

Hardly makes sense, does it?

Seems they say the same things, except Dawson denies anti-semitism whilst Rivero promotes it.

Rys2Sense - a slowly evolving consciousness?

Rys2Sense aka Ryan Dawson webmaster of anti-neocons.com has a new video. For once there's a novelty - at least a few minutes of genuine interest.

Somewhere in the middle of this video Ryan Dawson seems finally to be properly recognising some of the problems with Troofiness, anti-semitism and the far-right.

Nevertheless he immediately switches back to claiming Israel did 911, and Zionism this, and Zionism that, rah rah rah. But for a few moments he seems to be actually beginning to distinguish racism, anti-semitism and the presence of the far-right within what he calls "the movement" (911 Troof Movement). He even mentions people saying "jew this, jew that". (What about Zionist this, Zionist that? Doh!)

It will be interesting to see what sort of response he gets. I suspect he seriously underestimates the influence of fascism on 911 Troof and his audience. One example - he claims himself, Sibel Edmonds and Rivero are 'the real truth movement'.

It's quite astonishing for him to say such a thing considering his video and the criticism of racism in "the movement". Likewise when one sees him responding in the comments thread over at WhatReallyHappened, surrounded by obvious and blatant anti-semitism conjured for the purpose of exploitation.....by Rivero.

What are the comments of a supposed 'anti-racist' like Ryan Dawson doing amongst the anti-semitism of WhatReallyHappened? Why does Dawson think Rivero attracts such people? Can't he see it? Can't he see how absurd it looks to be found amongst that crowd - saying what they do - at the same time he's criticising racism within 'the movement' in his video?

But not only has Ryan Dawson been amongst such people for years he even claims Rivero/WRH is "the real 911 Truth Movement".

Oh, so it must be just bad luck that Rivero attracts the audience he does. And it's just blind chance that Ryan Dawson is to be found amomgst them, sharing much of the same audience. It's got nothing to do with people actually digging the Jew-bashing.......? It's got nothing to do with the fact their content attracts the far-right, racists and anti-semites? Sure.

In the video Dawson relates some tale about getting a little too mixed-up with people into William Pierce. To his credit he disowns them. However, Dawson doesn't seem to quite understand the issue - how is it he is getting too close to such people in the first place? They're your audience Ryan......that's Rivero's audience, his friends and colleagues, his fellow-travellers. It isn't LUCK.

I mean, does he understand Rivero or even his own audience? Doesn't he read what Rivero writes? Doesn't he read the comments from his fellow WRH members? Doesn't he see the comments at YouTube and at his website when he posts stupid Holocaust denial videos? Does he not pick-up the far-right agenda and memes running throughout his own website forum?

Perhaps he's beginning to notice. I sense something a little changed in his consciousness and I can only imagine it will develop, especially now he's mentioning the problem. What will his audience say? How will his beloved Troof Movement respond? It can surely only confirm what appears to be his emerging, more conscious thoughts.

Here's the vid, dated Sept 10th, 2011:


It's worth comparing his position on the video with the article and comments he responded to at WRH on the same day. [Go to bottom of entry for Dawson and others' comments.] Example:
We know WHO did 9/11.

9/11 was jews.
9/11 was Israel.
9/11 was zionists.

How many rats have to carry the plague, before you start exterminating rats?

Anti-semitic? You betcha. If you're not anti-semitic, my question to you is; WHY NOT?
Ryan Dawson hasn't quite got his eyes open yet, has he? He's got a way to go.

I wonder how much of an audience he will have left if he continues pursuing these themes and developing his consciousness so. Interesting to watch what will happen.

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Lots of things to complain about in the video. Taking just one - he says "individuals were caught on 911 with explosives.....and worked for an intelligence agency of a foreign country that benefited from 911.....and lied about Anthrax, the war and everything that followed it..."

ISRAEL!!! TADA!!!!

Surprise?

But who was found with explosives? And did they work for Mossad, or some such? It isn't as simple as Ryan Dawson believes. Not at all.

Does he seriously think an operation to demolish the twin towers was setup just that morning? They only just finished rigging the demolition early that day hence they were driving around NYC in a van of explosives on 911.....? Seriously?

Anyway, here's an excellent page debunking this story.

Troofers and haters quote the original news sources from 911, but never the corrections which followed a few minutes later. The corrections added that contrary to earlier reports the trucks DID NOT contain explosives. Apart from that, there's nothing else to the story.

Dawson not only claims rumours from the day as fact (truck-bomb attack against Washington Bridge), he mixes up the story with another about "the 5 dancing Israelis". The 5 dancing Israelis suddenly become the truck-bombers......and as they simply must work for MOSSAD then for Dawson the whole story of 911, Anthrax and 'the wars' explains itself. Zionism!!! Dun Dun Dun!!! Surprised, right?

That's how these Troofers roll.......

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Oh, and I can't comment directly on RyanDawson's YouTube video because I am still banned - he refuses to allow me to post. Troof.

Monday, 5 September 2011

Look familiar?





Game over?

These videos were in response to the Troofy argument that runs thus:
Then why do controlled demolition people take the time to rig a building if all they had to do was blow up a top portion and have it come hurling through the bottom portion of it?
The videos show that it's perfectly possible, indeed, they closely resemble the WTC collapses imo.

It's simply a physical fact a certain level of mass would smash even a reinforced WTC tower (or anything else) straight down to the ground, at a tiny fraction less then freefall.....given sufficient mass/momentum.

Wednesday, 2 February 2011

Deleted by Rys2Sense

I posted 10 messages or so at Rys2sense's website "anti-neocons". All of them were removed within hours without response. They were all civil, relevant but critical comments.

RysSense is often linked to by Mike Rivero's WhatReallyHappened website. Rys is a member of WRH and pursues much of the same interests - an obsession with Jews, Holocaust denial, grand conspiracy etc. He's recently been engaging in sedition over at youtube.

Anyway, in the comments at YouTube he said I should join his forum and enter "a debate" about the Holocaust there.

Thing is, I already tried, and he removed it. Repeatedly. And banned my user account. Rys denies he "ever" censored me - but he did it repeatedly with no warning, no explanation, and no public notice.



That post should appear here:
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=148136#p148136

But it doesn't.

I have the evidence of another 10 posts being deleted. Ok, Rys? Stop lying now, huh? The evidence is clear - Rys does delete posts from his site - simply because they are critical of his POV.

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ETA - Larry has been banned from this blog after repeatedly refusing to listen to requests to ease-up with his bile and his filthy childish bad-language. Here's a sample of just a few days of Larry's posts - this is what gets him banned everywhere he goes:
Fuck you....you fucking panzy ass....Tell me shithead...your fucking LYING.....you keep fucking saying.....moronic shithead....youve been fucking OWNED.....answer my question asshole....OVER AND FUCKING OVER you big fucking dickhead.........you fuckwads....if you fucking ANSWERED it....Hey LAST FAG LEFT....asshole...youre an asshat....you prick!.....NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS!...all the shit YOUVE said...the shit I posted...douchebag....youre a colossal dicknut....Hey.....ASSHOLE....you fucking IGNORE....You pathetic sack of shit!....asshole!....Dipshit....asshole!...dickweed.
Larry has previous for this behaviour, he does it everywhere he goes. Here's an earlier example of Larry's literary style, for which he was previously banned here. Check out how honestly Larry reports his banning?? Larry is incapable of realising why he gets banned everywhere? He's a sick puppy.

Sunday, 9 January 2011

The Arizona Shooting and "the movement"

WhatReallyHappened.com is spinning the Arizona shooting spree as a provocation intended to distract the US public (from what Rivero imagines to be some huge, all-encompasing mortgage-scam.) Here's Rivero's take on it -




















"A staged incident to distract the media." Right.......

"If he had really intended to kill the congresswoman...."? I have read reports that she was shot through the temple. How much more intent to kill can one show? Jeezuz, Rivero is disgusting enough anyway, but how out of touch is he? A child was killed too, but for Rivero the shooter "hadn't really meant to kill the congresswoman". And a child's murder isn't as "attractive to the media" as that of a Congresswoman, according to Rivero.

So, instead of the child being a victim of one of those amongst Rivero's own audience ("the movement") rather he'd have us believe it is "staged" and "fake":-



The dead child was faked? What?

And nevermind that the shooter appears to have been fuelled by the very propaganda that Rivero lives off and which he describes as "the history the government doesn't want you to learn".....? This shooter was probably a big fan of Rivero and Alex Jones, and likely an adherent to the "ideas" that characterise and distinguish what they like to call "the movement". This "movement" (911 Troof, patriot movement) is essentially an american fascism - a populist ultranationalism based on conspiracy theory. (Amongst all the posts on the Arizona/Gifford shooting Rivero includes a link to a Google Translation of some Holocaust denial. Google translate your pro-Nazi history? Great stuff, Mr Rivero, I'm sure.)

Rivero also links to two articles from the Alex Jones stable (here and here), both of which seek to spin the Gifford shooting with a view to distancing themselves from any responsibility and even suggesting any such charges of responsibility are evidence of 'the establishment' exploiting the attacks to attack "the movement". It's all a setup see, and nothing to do with "the movement" at all. Well, of course, what else? [It's a neat way of escaping having to deal with any responsibility, isn't it? And notice how Rivero lacks any irony when he says this story will be everywhere and is being "spun" by everyone for their own ends? Nevermind he's doing it too?]

One of the articles ends
"Stock up with Fresh Food that lasts with eFoodsDirect

For the elite, the problem is not violence. It is the existence of and threat posed by a viable and growing constitutionalist movement that demands the Federal Reserve be closed down and the banksters responsible for the unfolding global economic crisis be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity."
So, it's not people like this shooter who pose a threat, it's people like this shooter. Eh?

The other Prisonplanet article, penned by the idiot Paul Watson, claims that
Despite the fact that Jared Lee Loughner was a psychotic loner with “left-wing” beliefs according to those who knew him, the establishment has hastily exploited yesterday’s tragic shooting in Tucson to demonize conservatives, libertarians and gun owners while ordering Americans to “tone down the rhetoric,” which is nothing more than a euphemism for stifling dissent and coercing people to roll over on Obamacare, bailouts and whatever big government is preparing to unleash next.
So....the supposedly "leftwing" shooter attacked a "big govt. socialist Democrat"? And thus it's going to be exploited to attack conservatives and libertarians? How does that make any sense at all? [It illustrates how far-gone "the movement" is that such utter crap can be posted at Alex Jones and echoed throughout the movement's propaganda organs such as Rivero's WhatReallyHappened.]

Here's an advert that accompanied the Prisonplanet article quoted above:










More soberly The Guardian writes
Of course, there's no suggestion that the suspected gunman – a college graduate from Arizona who lists reading as his favourite pastime – was particularly inspired by Sarah Palin or Jesse Kelly. But it's this kind of rhetoric that is lighting a fire under extremists who believe that Obama is, in fact, the devil – and, by association, so are all Democrats.

That may sound ludicrous, but last year, civil rights organisation the Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC) said extremist groups had exploded in the United States since Obama's election. These groups, it said, had increased by 244%, were "steeped in wild, anti-government conspiracy theories" that exploited populist anger across the country and had infiltrated the mainstream.
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Much of this is clearly the paranoid ramblings of a messed-up conspiracy theorist. But, if the SPLC is to be believed, these are paranoid ramblings that have been gaining currency.

Following the release of the SPLC report, I interviewed an armed militia group in west Texas. Many of their fears, I discovered, were of a kind of post-apocalyptic future in which the very infrastructure of civilisation collapses – something that could come about, apparently, if the government imposes public healthcare or increased gun control. One man recruiting for a new militia in Oklahoma told me he wanted to be "prepared to put down a tyrannical government". A member of a group in Mississippi said that if the government "did something crazy" – like take away their guns – he couldn't predict what people would do: "This could get real ugly, real quick."
SOURCE
Elsewhere the Guardian adds that the attack is.....
....disturbing set against a background of heated rhetoric. Much debate has painted American politicians in general, and the federal government in particular, as somehow being a force for evil. Indeed many rightwing commentators have portrayed President Barack Obama and senior Democrats as socialists or even Marxists bent on fundamentally changing the American way of life. Some fringe groups and conservative politicians have even hinted at resorting to illegal measures in order to defend the nation from what they see as a dire threat. Giffords's own offices were vandalised after she voted for healthcare reform.

Elsewhere, there has been a rash of attacks on government targets from individuals pursuing extremist aims. Last year in Texas Joseph Stack flew a private aeroplane into a branch of the Internal Revenue Service tax authorities. He left a rambling suicide note that contained numerous anti-government statements. Neo-Nazi James von Brunn shot dead a security guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington in 2009. In the same year a doctor who performed abortion was killed in Kansas City and several incidents occurred in which people with links to white supremacists killed people or were found with explosives caches.

Gun-rights advocates across America have made a point of turning up to some political events carrying weapons, including powerful rifles, in order to demonstrate their right to bear arms. That is a fact that might become relevant given that the shooting of Gifford occurred in public at an open "meet and greet" political event.

The rise of political extremism in recent years has been tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Centre which issued a report in 2009 that warned of rising numbers of potentially violent right-wing militia groups. The numbers of hate groups grew from 602 in 2000 to 926 in 2009, the organisation has found.
SOURCE
Sad to read all this:
Surgeons at the University Medical Center said Giffords, a 40-year-old Democratic member of the House of Representatives, was communicating with them and able to follow simple commands, such as holding up two fingers when asked. A single bullet travelled the length of her brain on the left side, doctors said.

"This is about as good as good can get," said Dr Peter Rhee. Giffords had undergone surgery to remove bone fragments and some damaged brain tissue, and remains in a critical condition.

Six other people, including a nine-year-old girl, a federal judge and a member of Giffords's staff, were killed when a gunman opened fire outside a supermarket in Tucson where the politician was meeting with constituents, shooting 18 people.

A 22-year-old, identified by investigators as Jared Lee Loughner, was arrested at the scene and remains in federal custody.

The nine-year-old girl who was killed has been named as Christina Taylor Greene. Born on September 11 2001, her parents described her as the "best daughter in the world". She was featured in a book called Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11. She had a keen interest in politics, was on her school council, and had wanted to go to the event to learn more about the political process.

The other victims were named today as John Roll, 63, a federal district court judge; Gabriel Zimmerman, Giffords's 30-year-old director of community outreach; Dorwin Stoddard, 76, a pastor; Dorothy Murray, 76; and 79-year-old Phyllis Scheck.

At a press conference following the attack, the Pima County Sheriff, Clarence Dupnik, blamed political vitriol for fuelling the attack.

"People tend to pooh-pooh this business that we hear about all the vitriol we hear inflaming the American public by people who make a living doing that," he said. "That may be free speech – but there are consequences."

He said Arizona had become "a Mecca for prejudice and bigotry" and that "people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol".
SOURCE
It's despicable.

Poor little girl.

But of course, the shooter probably wasn't trying to kill a woman and a small child, instead he likely imagined he was killing a Congress Critter and some of her sheeple. The shooter surely thought he was making his stand against the dark forces of "the New World Order", fighting for "his rights", life, liberty, the American way, blah blah blah.

Pathetic. And dangerous. Obviously.

Friday, 10 September 2010

According to Madman Larry Simons

According to Larry the Conspiracy Twit,
“If collapsing by fire alone NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE [which it has NOT], how would anyone know what the characteristics are of a building that "was going to collapse?"
The building below has never collapsed before (it's never even been built):

Larry claims that as it has never happened before (as it has never been built) it would be impossible for anyone to suspect this building might collapse. Imagine the building supports caught fire, and caused damage similar to below. According to LArry, it is impossible for anyone to suspect the building might collapse, because "it has never happened before!"


So, no matter how obvious it is this building would collapse in its present state, Larry insists it would be impossible to even suspect it might collapse, because 'it has never happened before'.

Ridiculous.

And according to Larry The Madman this is a picture of smoke *not* coming from WTC7!


How is that smoke *not* coming from WTC7? Even better, Larry posts this picture:


How on earth can anyone claim that smoke isn't coming from WTC7? But Larry does claim exactly that.

All one need do is watch this video: where's the smoke coming from?


According to Larry, that smoke is not coming from WTC7! Larry says it is coming from WTC6....downwind!!! How does smoke move upwind towards WTC7 and then proceed downwind? Ridiculous.

Saturday, 15 May 2010

Curt Maynard - dead: another hater goes postal

Curt Maynard fatally shot his ex-wife several times before shooting his step-daughter in the face. His 12 yr old daughter fortunately ran-off with her 2 yr old sister. Maynard then fled in a car and whilst being chased by police fatally shot himself, sending his vehicle crashing across roads and into a vehicle containing another mother and children.

Here's the news, as reported at What Really Happened.com (Why would WRH care about Curt Maynard? The item appears at WRH sympathetically. There isn't the least hint of criticism and not the least hint of condolence to the victims. Despicable.) Maynard has of course appeared as a guest on Rivero's radio show, and Rivero hosts several articles written by Curt Maynard. Rivero has heavily featured and promoted Maynard throughout the last 5 years (or more?).

Here's a news article on Maynard's monstrous dénouement.

So, yet another Troofer-Patriot-racist-nutter bites the dust, in a most despicable fashion too. Good riddance, you fucking bastard. What a loss to the Troofer-Patriots, eh?

Wednesday, 26 August 2009

Deleted at Big Dan's Big Blog

Here's an example of my comments which have been deleted at Big Dan's Big Blog. All the instances of quotes from "plunger" I had culled from old threads at Big Dan's Big Blog. Plunger is also a contributor to BradBlog, and is on good terms with BradBlog's moderator Agent99, whom also post at Big Dan's Big Blog. Hence the views expressed by Plunger given here can be taken as somewhat representative of those at BradBlog - either that, or the views expressed here are unknown to BradBlog, in which case, Plunger and Agent99 (and any other member of the two blogs) is deceiving BradBlog about their views. Or vice versa, of course.

My comments are in bold. The thread they were deleted from is here.

I should point out that until this point I had been completely civil, and was intent on asking why the Blog owner - Big Dan - was linking to fascist "news" sources, whilst claiming sources such as Chris Bollyn, WhatReallyHappened, DesertPeace and Smoking Mirrors were "anti-fascist". The blog owner deleted at least 30 posts of mine which asked about this issue. Having experienced such censorship, and having spent hours reading through the back-history of threads at Big Dan's I was less inclined to maintain my civility - they simply don't deserve it, such is the preponderance of their hatred, their stupidity, and their service to genuine fascism.

Plunger: "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
LIES.

I challenge you to stand that statement up. Where is the least evidence that statement was actually made? I'll tell you - there's no evidence for it having been made.

But that says everything about you - you will accept such obvious tripe as "fact" - and you feed your hate on it. You embrace bullshit to justify your own hate, and to create hate in others. Despicable.
Plunger: "Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, all of them are ON ISRAEL'S PAYROLL. All of them were directly involved in 9/11, and many foreign intelligence services have them dead-to rights, and are blackmailing them."
You just pick things from the air - and say they are true. And thereby your hate is justified. No matter you have no evidence - no matter it's utter bullshit. Which came first - your hatred or your "facts"? Regardless - now they are one and the same: your hate leads your bias, your bias feeds your hate......
plunger: "Bin Laden does not exist."
HAHA - sure. Because you say so? Sure....
plunger: Henry Ford said this........
Charles Lindbergh said this......
Oh really? Like anyone gives a shit what they said? We're supposed to listen to Henry Ford, now, are we? Why? Oh - that's right - because .....errr.......because they confirm your beliefs. Big deal. It doesn't mean anything beyond asserting they *said it*. You believe it if you want to, Mr Gullible.
plunger: "33. The International Jew. By Henry Ford."
Oh - look - a real authority on "the international jew"! Pathetic.
plunger: Patrick Buchanan
Oh - look - listen up people, Buchanan's speaking! Bwahaha.
plunger: Who Rules America? By Dr. William Pierce
Woooaah! What a source that is! National Alliance founder, Nazi William Pierce! Pardon me if I pass? Sheesh. Let's find a Nazi for some "information" on Jews, shall we? HAHA. Facts, plunger, facts! HAHA. It'll be bloody Adolf fucking Hitler next?
plunger: From Adolf Hitler's last Will and Political Testament. Google users enter: Hitler my political testament
Hitler!? Oh yeah - world renowned for his scholarly ojectivity on jews, right.......? You're BATSHIT MAD.
plunger: Benjamin Freedman's 1955 speech
Ben Freedman? Oh lordy! The only jew every anti-semite totally trusts? LOL All the rest are lying snakes, but Freedman's reliable? LOL Believe it if you want. But so what?

Just look at that "range" of sources........?

And you say you're not anti-semitic?

Sure - it's just your sources that are anti-semitic. HAHA You don't fool anyone.
plunger: You will find no writing of mine that condemns the entire country of Israel for anything - ever.

and

plunger: You insinuate that I paint all Israelis or Jews with the same brush, despite the fact I never have.
That doesn't prevent you fielding a mass of sources whom DO! That's your entire gambit - claim you don't say those things, then field every crazed anti-semite whom does! Like Hitler, like William Pierce, like Lindberg, like Henry Ford, Like Ted Pike, Like AFP, like TBR etc etc. How transparent. That's pure rhetorical trickery on your part.

Plus you employ OBVIOUSLY manufactured quotes such as "We the Jews control America!"

SO, THAT IS YOU SAYING IT, plunger - WHEN YOU FIELD THOSE SOURCES AND QUOTES AS "FACTS" AND AS THE SUPPORTING EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ARGUMENTS AND CLAIMS, AND INSIST THEY ARE "FACTS" THEN IT IS YOU SAYING THOSE THINGS.

And you do CONTINUALLY say things such as:
plunger: Obama will say nothing, in deference to his true master, the Master of all who are (s)elected to serve Israel's AGENDA.
So pardon me, but your self excuse is frankly disgusting contortion and dissembling.

You don't say such things? RUBBISH!!
plunger: ALL LIES. Media = Jewish-owned and complicit.
One wonders what the point of the word "Jewish" is in that phrasing if it isn't meant to imply what it is obviously meant to imply. Don't give me your bullshit about you NEVER say such things. Combine such words of yours with the quotes and sources you cite and there is simply NO ROOM FOR DEBATE - YOU ARE AN ANTI-SEMITIC HATER. You have a Hitlerite conception of World Jewish Conspiracy - the exact same mobilising myth of Nazism. Your denials are self-delusion, if that. I don't believe you even believe your denials - they are only there for your audience and to provide a peg on which to hang your righteousness.

Your faux rage at being 'cruelly labelled' is pathetic and a travesty to language and definition.
plunger: Israel controls everything inside the US. .....Israel actually controls the launch and targeting codes of the entire US Nuclear arsenal. .....Bottom line - Israel owns the United States - thanks to GHW Bush. None of this is speculation. These are facts.
FACTS?! HAHA You are a disgusting joke and a fraud. I seriously think you are mentally ill.

Look at the vileness running through everything you write?

I have spent more time than I wish to engaged with far-right polemicists, and you are very clearly amongst them. You would be amongst the extreme even at Stromfront.

And don't pretend otherwise - your stupid enraged denials are ridiculous.


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From these quotes from Plunger's contributions to Dan's blog, it seems obvious why my posts at BradBlog about Obama's Healthcare Reforms were deleted - I was arguing against the idea that Obama was "serving" some (jewish) conspiracy and instead was dealing with political realities ie I was recognising there was extremely fierce opposition to Obama's proposals rather than agreeing with the (far-right) conspiracy notion that that such disagreement is a pretense designed to deceive the public and prevent them realising there is a monolithic (jewish) conspiracy secretly ruling America.

This makes me wonder whether BradBlog's purpose is essentially the same too: is BradBlog's intent to suggest that there is a conspiracy? They suggest Obama is "betraying" Americans, and always meant to - do they mean to suggest such "betrayal" is on behalf of the (jewish?) conspiracy?

BradBlog also suggest vote fraud is endemic: is BradBlog suggesting such fraud is perpetrated to maintain the (jewish?) conspiracy? Is that BradBlog's intent - or do they just attract an audience which holds such a perspective?

Agent99 is a regular poster at Dan's Big Blog, and, as we have seen, actively ensures Plunger's comments appear at BradBlog using his privileged moderator status there. How much do Agent99's views about a jewish conspiracy reflect those of BradBlog? Is BradBlog's focus on Voter Fraud intended as a means to insinuate a conception of a Hitlerite Jewish World conspiracy into mainstream/progressive discourse? Or just to undermine confidence in what passes as "liberal democracy"? Or do they have a genuine concern for democracy?

I raise this question with the history of Weimar in mind - a crucial factor in the rise of Nazism was the undermining of confidence and faith in the Weimar Republic: before Nazism could gain a hold on the reigns of power, Weimar had to lose legitimacy, and the ensuing crisis opened a vacuum into which Hitler was swept. There were two major, and connected, factors: the loss of legitimacy of Weimar, and belief in a Jewish conspiracy.

It's worth noting that Big Dan defended his use of Willis Carto's AmericanFreePress with the examples that AFP had excellent coverage of vote fraud issues AND of Jewish/Israeli control over America.

Clearly there are obvious reasons why fascists would promote issues over vote fraud and "stolen elections"; 911 being an "inside job"; (Israeli/Jewish) blackmail of American politicians; demonisation of Israel/Jews; jewish control of media, political process, business, banking, etc.

Mainstreaming such views is crucial to the fascist enterprise.

Thursday, 30 July 2009

The 911 "Stand Down Order"? - MYTH

911 Troof seems to hold it as FACT that changes in the official hijacking interception manual suggest guilt on the part of the Bush administration. This is based on the (genuine) FACT that the manual was changed in the weeks leading up to 911. These changes, coming so shortly before 911, are always suggested to be very suspicious - and the claim is made that they changed procedure, thereby allowing Bush administration officials to "allow" 911 to happen - it's claimed they provide a de-facto means to allow a stand-down order. I mean, it does sound pretty suspicious, doesn't it? Changing the rules only weeks before?

Here's an example of the suggestion from prisonplanet, in an article by 911 Troofer, Michael Ruppert:
...the "new" NORAD procedures transferring scramble authority to Rumsfeld on June 1, 2001 were ignored by several NORAD commanders on 9/11....
LINK
Only problem is, the "new" NORAD procedures did *NOT* transfer scramble authority to Rumsfeld on June 1, 2001. The update issued on June 1st was a merely administrative update......it only changed a few administrative details......the actual change to the procedure transferring authority to the Secretary of Defence happened in 1997, under Bill Clinton's administration!

This mistaken claim is repeated over and over throughout 911 Troof. It's part of the folklore, and almost nobody has ever bothered to check the claim. SFAIK I am the only person to have bothered to check. Troofers believe the change to be an important one, but they've clearly never checked it. Speaks volumes for their methods, and their gullibility.

The June 1st, 2001 update to the procedures was a merely administrative affair - the actual procedures were changed in the 1997 update.

Another example of how Alex Jones employs this "evidence" to distort the facts:
This document superseded earlier DOD procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft, and it requires that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is personally responsible for issuing intercept orders. Commanders in the field are stripped of all authority to act.
.....
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A (dated 1 June 2001) was issued for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." This new instruction superseded CJCSI 3610.01 of 31 July 1997.

This CJCSI states that "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."

LINK
That clearly suggests the 'new' orders issued June 1st 2001 'superseded' the 1997 orders, and that it was the new version which transferred authority for shooting down hijacked planes to Donald Rumsfeld. And, hey! - that's a mighty suspicious coincidence, isn't it, coming just weeks before 911?

But the 'new' CJCSI had no new orders - all orders remain the same - the only changes are purely administrative ones, updating and adding some new department names etc. Nothing of substance changed in June 2001 whatsoever.

See for yourself:

The 1997 procedures: HERE
The "new" 2001 procedures: HERE

They're identical in substance: nothing changed. Remember that, the next time a Troofer makes the claim?

Friday, 26 June 2009

Topham, Radical Press and the Far-right

Arthur Topham's been fingered as an anti-semite. As ever, he squeals about the injustice of it, the threat to "freedom" that recognition of his anti-semitism poses...........yeah, sure.

Could his whining be more tedious, laboured and self-defeating?

Here is Topham, proudly celebrating the fact that a leading light of the far-right, Paul Fromm, has joined Topham's cause. What a shock! Another fascist joining up with Topham to defeat the scurrilous and totally unfounded charges that Topham is an anti-semite.......lol......you couldn't make it up. Somehow Topham feels this is going to help him! What better proves that Topham is just another far-right talking head masquerading as some beacon for "liberty". He wants the liberty to shovel his hateful shit....... Yes, before the abolition of slavery there was more "freedom" - freedom to own slaves. The dude is ridiculous.

Here's Topham digging a hole for himself:
As Publisher and Editor of RadicalPress.com I was most pleased and honoured to hear today from Paul Fromm, Director of CAFE, the Canadian Association for Free Expression, informing me that he has formally submitted a Notice of Motion to the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal requesting standing as an Interested Party in the ongoing complaint case involving myself, RadicalPress.com and Harry Abrams and the League for Human Rights of B’nai Brith Canada.
http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=1032
Here's the basic lowdown on Paul Fromm
Frederick Paul Fromm (born January 3, 1949), known as Paul Fromm, is a Canadian neo-Nazi leader and racist with ties to the Ku Klux Klan. He has been described by national media as "one of Canada's most notorious white supremacists".
Not quite the dude you'd want to have on your side in a legal wrangle about anti-semitism, I'd have thought. Topham wants to be free to spew hate - to be racist - to be a pillock (nothing we can do about that)

And just to round-off the point about how cozy together all these fascists are - especially with 911 Troof - Paul Fromm was a speaker at the No More Wars for Israel conference, the anti-semitic conference masquerading as an anti-war conference, which was organised by fascists like Joe Fields of Nerdwave, Curt Maynard, Willis Carto, and which was covered live, and heavily trailed by Mr Mike Rivero, the "legendary" freedom-fighter from whatreallyhappened.com Funnily enough the conference was heavily trailed at WRH, and David Dukes site, Stormfront, Vanguard News Network..........the usual swill holes of american fascism. I write about this conference here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Rivero even put some pictures up - so everyone can see the fascist's misdirection conference. What a sweetheart. How can people deny Rivero is mixed up with the kooks of the far-right?

And 911 Troof cries - just like Topham - about how unfair it is to be "labelled" and "stigmatised" with words like "fascist!" and "racist", and even "anti-semite"? Oh - how unfair to so condemn them......... [I love the way fascists and racists seek to hide and obscure their real beliefs. They obviously know everyone else finds them disgusting.........but do they really think that by being deceptive about it people will somehow find them less disgusting? That's clearly their hope.]

It's simply true that much of 911 Troof and its proponents are mixed up with organised fascism. The obvious cross-over point is the 911 Troof meme of "It's Israel!" - it dovetails right into the racism and anti-semitic Hitlerite fantasies of Jewish World Conspiracy. Vonn Brunn is a clear example of how conspiracism and fascism can be so closely interwoven, and he is also more proof that they are.