Showing posts with label anti-semitism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label anti-semitism. Show all posts

Monday, 12 September 2011

FBI documents on "5 dancing Israelis"

Someone has used FOIA to obtain the FBI documents for their investigation into the infamous "5 dancing Israelis" of 911, often supposed by conspiracists to be direct evidence of Israeli responsibility, an 'inside job', whatever.

The documents are available via a blogpost, here. The website is called, Zionism Stinks. At least they proclaim their bias, eh?

Read the entire document as I did (500 pages of forms) and one is left with the near-certainty that there's absolutely nothing to this story. Absolutely nothing.

The real story is how such a paucity of cause has led to 10 years of suspicion, and direct claims of Israeli-state involvement. Ridiculous.

I can only see the whole thing as an illustration of prejudice. How else to explain 10 years of claims about (Jewish/Israeli) conspiracy? The documents simply do not provide any justification for it.

People like Rivero use people like Ryan Dawson to make outrageous claims, all to serve an anti-semitic and conspiracist agenda. People like Ryan Dawson bleat that they aren't anti-semitic, yet they embrace and promote people such as Mike Rivero, and sources and audiences such as WhatReallyHappened.com

The fact is, the far-right seek to discredit and undermine confidence in the democratic-liberal state, whilst simultaneously blaming Jews for it. They make use of whomever and whatever they can.

This "dancing Israeli" rubbish is just one vector for the process.

Of course "Israeli" doesn't quite strictly mean "Jew", but it's close enough for the anti-semite. That's the value of people like Ryan Dawson to Rivero - Dawson doesn't have to say "JEW", Rivero can say it, and each of their audiences understands what is meant anyway. Who doesn't? To illustrate:

Dawson writes explicitly that "911 was the Mossad." Attempting to innoculate himself from charges of anti-semitism, he adds: "Understand that Israel is not Jewish people OK please get that through your warped heads."

(Why does he think every reader's head is warped?)

So, 'Israel is not Jewish people'? Ok. But then what race and religion is he referring to here when he expounds on the real perps:
[Mossad]is not an Israeli intelligence agency per say it is a terrorist agency for the military industrial complex which feeds off of the hatred of the bigots and useful idiots concentrated in Israel. The US and Israel are not really different countries in a way. The US and Israeli agencies and their Neocon governments work for their own interests and those interests are guided by a racist, political ideology mixed up with a fascist version of a religion and Straussian philosophy.
Sorry, but the carefully avoided word there is "JEW" - in both the religious and ethnic senses. If they are guided by racism, then what race is meant if not Jew? And likewise the 'fascist religion' - what does that mean if not Judaism? It's disingenuous of Dawson to claim he doesn't target Jews or Judaism - he clearly does - but in a convoluted fashion.

This is how "dancing Israelis" becomes anti-semitism.

I noted previously how Dawson had turned the "dancing Israeli" story from myth and conjecture into solid fact. He claims:
"individuals were caught on 911 with explosives.....and worked for an intelligence agency of a foreign country that benefited from 911.....and lied about Anthrax, the war and everything that followed it..."
Mossad and Israel....which according to Dawson supposedly run America for their own interests - ie of the Jewish race and the Jewish religion.

The utility of this to the anti-semitic far-right is obvious and seems the most likely reason for Rivero's patronage and promotion of Dawson.

But check the actual FBI documents and there is absolutely no reason to imagine the 'dancing' Israelis were Mossad agents. They're a bunch of punks, at least one of which was found in possession of a hash bong-pipe (illegal). They were working for a boss who purposefully employed illegals so as to underpay them and to avoid payroll taxes - and whom one employee described to the FBI as "a crook". Another interviewee described one of the supposed perps as "a clown" and incapable of involvement in 911. Moreover, none of the photos the 'dancers' took showed the WTC before the first plane had hit. They, along with the rest of NewYork, only took an interest in the WTC after the first plane had hit and the building began burning/smoking.

The FBI (seemingly perfectly appropriately) concluded there was no reason whatsoever to imagine these people were involved and so handed jurisdiction to the INS (because of visa expiry issues) before their subsequent deportation. There seems to be absolutely nothing in any of it re 911, Mossad, inside-job, explosives, truck-bombs.......NOTHING.

Yet in the hands of 'the Real 911 Troof movement" - such as Dawson and Rivero - this non-story becomes the foundation of a vast anti-semitic tale of unchecked Israeli and Mossad subversion of America explaining everything from the Anthrax attacks to the banking crisis, the Iraq war and most everything else.

Even as Dawson claims he doesn't target Jews or Judaism, he clearly does. Moreover, his work (outrageous unsupported cconspiracism) is promoted by anti-semites such as Rivero, with Dawson's full consent and support. Dawson even stated he was 'happy to get the traffic' when David Duke promoted him.

When the ADL (accurately) criticise such people for using their outrageous unfounded claims to promote anti-semitic conspiracism, Dawson & Rivero et al just add the ADL to the conspiracy, and flat-out deny the charges (which they nevertheless feel a need to misrepresent rather than properly address).

911 conspiracy is the biggest lot of rot I have ever come across. It is no surprise that in 10 years 'the movement' has produced nothing of substance and has gained no traction, crackpots notwithstanding. What a waste of 10 years.

Sunday, 11 September 2011

ADL criticise Ryan Dawson

The ADL have criticised 911 Troof conspiracism, including Ryan Dawson, AKA Rys2Sense.

Dawson responded in an open letter thus:
It seems to me that the ADL wants to quickly paint questioning 911 as akin to racism in order to prevent investigation.
Dawson says this even though in his own most recent video he himself criticises the presence of Joooo obsessed Troofers in his 'movement' - including people promoting William Pierce's National Alliance and "jew this, jew that".

So Dawson's own video vindicates the general point of the ADL's criticism of 911 Troof.

But anyway, WhatReallyHappened linked to a website carrying the ADL's criticism of 911 Truth and Ryan Dawson. The website is called 'theinfounderground', the specific page is here.

Ryan Dawson's letter appears in a thread introduced as "ADL goes after Ryan Dawson and Mike Delany".

Folowwing the letter, there are some revealing responses. The first:
Fuck the ADL
We support our 2 friends

Word for Word truth from our 2 friends
Friends? Third response:
Yeah... I guess our buddies Mike D. and Ryan D. are "capturing" the younger generation to a degree...their Anti-Jew Scam videos on 9/11 must have hit a "magic" number... ADL Scam J'Tards always fear the next generation is going give them the boot!
Buddies? Their Anti-Jew Scam videos on 911?

This is right after Dawson's letter in which he is claiming his 'movement' is not anti-semitic, and that the ADL uses criticism of anti-semitism as a means to protect Israel!

Well, Dawson is either ignorant of his precious 'movement' or he is being dishonest about its (anti-semitic) character.

A later entry in the thread links another page elsewhere but which was also directly linked to from WhatReallyHappened. At this page the first lines read:
"Being labeled an "anti-Semite" is an honor these days. All it means is someone who is against the Jewish criminal gang that dominates the global power structure."
SOURCE
The old anti-semite as hero malarkey.

This was linked to from a site of which Ryan Dawson is a member - WhatReallyHappened.com. Dawson and the webmaster Mike Rivero seem pretty chummy, they've long been promoting each other, now they're calling themselves "the real truth movement" yada yada.

But Dawson isn't an anti-semite.....and his movement isn't either. So he says.

Well, what about WhatReallyHappened.com linking direct to these clearly anti-semitic places and them treating Ryan Dawson as a friend and buddy? These people are yanking the chain on anti-semitism.......yet they consider Ryan 'anti-racist' Dawson a friend!

Peculiar.

According to Dawson, himself and Rivero are 'the real Truth movement'.

Whilst Dawson is opining about how 911 Troof is not anti-semitic we have his ally Rivero linking to all sorts of crud and proving that it most certainly is anti-semitic.

And these people - Rivero and Dawson - are supposedly "allies"?

Hardly makes sense, does it?

Seems they say the same things, except Dawson denies anti-semitism whilst Rivero promotes it.

Rys2Sense - a slowly evolving consciousness?

Rys2Sense aka Ryan Dawson webmaster of anti-neocons.com has a new video. For once there's a novelty - at least a few minutes of genuine interest.

Somewhere in the middle of this video Ryan Dawson seems finally to be properly recognising some of the problems with Troofiness, anti-semitism and the far-right.

Nevertheless he immediately switches back to claiming Israel did 911, and Zionism this, and Zionism that, rah rah rah. But for a few moments he seems to be actually beginning to distinguish racism, anti-semitism and the presence of the far-right within what he calls "the movement" (911 Troof Movement). He even mentions people saying "jew this, jew that". (What about Zionist this, Zionist that? Doh!)

It will be interesting to see what sort of response he gets. I suspect he seriously underestimates the influence of fascism on 911 Troof and his audience. One example - he claims himself, Sibel Edmonds and Rivero are 'the real truth movement'.

It's quite astonishing for him to say such a thing considering his video and the criticism of racism in "the movement". Likewise when one sees him responding in the comments thread over at WhatReallyHappened, surrounded by obvious and blatant anti-semitism conjured for the purpose of exploitation.....by Rivero.

What are the comments of a supposed 'anti-racist' like Ryan Dawson doing amongst the anti-semitism of WhatReallyHappened? Why does Dawson think Rivero attracts such people? Can't he see it? Can't he see how absurd it looks to be found amongst that crowd - saying what they do - at the same time he's criticising racism within 'the movement' in his video?

But not only has Ryan Dawson been amongst such people for years he even claims Rivero/WRH is "the real 911 Truth Movement".

Oh, so it must be just bad luck that Rivero attracts the audience he does. And it's just blind chance that Ryan Dawson is to be found amomgst them, sharing much of the same audience. It's got nothing to do with people actually digging the Jew-bashing.......? It's got nothing to do with the fact their content attracts the far-right, racists and anti-semites? Sure.

In the video Dawson relates some tale about getting a little too mixed-up with people into William Pierce. To his credit he disowns them. However, Dawson doesn't seem to quite understand the issue - how is it he is getting too close to such people in the first place? They're your audience Ryan......that's Rivero's audience, his friends and colleagues, his fellow-travellers. It isn't LUCK.

I mean, does he understand Rivero or even his own audience? Doesn't he read what Rivero writes? Doesn't he read the comments from his fellow WRH members? Doesn't he see the comments at YouTube and at his website when he posts stupid Holocaust denial videos? Does he not pick-up the far-right agenda and memes running throughout his own website forum?

Perhaps he's beginning to notice. I sense something a little changed in his consciousness and I can only imagine it will develop, especially now he's mentioning the problem. What will his audience say? How will his beloved Troof Movement respond? It can surely only confirm what appears to be his emerging, more conscious thoughts.

Here's the vid, dated Sept 10th, 2011:


It's worth comparing his position on the video with the article and comments he responded to at WRH on the same day. [Go to bottom of entry for Dawson and others' comments.] Example:
We know WHO did 9/11.

9/11 was jews.
9/11 was Israel.
9/11 was zionists.

How many rats have to carry the plague, before you start exterminating rats?

Anti-semitic? You betcha. If you're not anti-semitic, my question to you is; WHY NOT?
Ryan Dawson hasn't quite got his eyes open yet, has he? He's got a way to go.

I wonder how much of an audience he will have left if he continues pursuing these themes and developing his consciousness so. Interesting to watch what will happen.

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Lots of things to complain about in the video. Taking just one - he says "individuals were caught on 911 with explosives.....and worked for an intelligence agency of a foreign country that benefited from 911.....and lied about Anthrax, the war and everything that followed it..."

ISRAEL!!! TADA!!!!

Surprise?

But who was found with explosives? And did they work for Mossad, or some such? It isn't as simple as Ryan Dawson believes. Not at all.

Does he seriously think an operation to demolish the twin towers was setup just that morning? They only just finished rigging the demolition early that day hence they were driving around NYC in a van of explosives on 911.....? Seriously?

Anyway, here's an excellent page debunking this story.

Troofers and haters quote the original news sources from 911, but never the corrections which followed a few minutes later. The corrections added that contrary to earlier reports the trucks DID NOT contain explosives. Apart from that, there's nothing else to the story.

Dawson not only claims rumours from the day as fact (truck-bomb attack against Washington Bridge), he mixes up the story with another about "the 5 dancing Israelis". The 5 dancing Israelis suddenly become the truck-bombers......and as they simply must work for MOSSAD then for Dawson the whole story of 911, Anthrax and 'the wars' explains itself. Zionism!!! Dun Dun Dun!!! Surprised, right?

That's how these Troofers roll.......

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Oh, and I can't comment directly on RyanDawson's YouTube video because I am still banned - he refuses to allow me to post. Troof.

The New Anti-semitism - WRH 2011 style

WRH's Rivero gives his whole game away early on:
So now comes the ADL once more screaming "Anti-Semitism" at anyone questioning the official story of 9-11, even if the question in particular does not involve Israel!
The simple fact is that anti-semitism need have nothing to do with Israel. The cynical anti-semite's favourite defence is to claim there's a real distinction between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism. Now Rivero's complaining the ADL mentions anti-semitism without anyone referencing Israel. Well, indeed, Mr Rivero - it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it: anti-semitism exists aside from Israel.

That one sentence seriously undermines Rivero's entire spiel. But he uses it as his foundation. Rivero wants to attack Jews and the ADL (as defenders of Jews, presumably). He wants to pin the blame for 911 on Jews. It's done in a very particular way - it's propaganda. Screw me trying to analyse it...just look at it out of context a little. Here's Rivero's version of anti-semitism, as seen by the ADL:
Researcher: "Why did BBC report the collapse of World Trade Tower 7 twenty six minutes before it happened?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"
But there's clearly nothing anti-semitic about simply mentioning that story by the BBC and nobody would ever complain there was.
Researcher: "How did the Secret Service know that President Bush was safe where he sat reading about pet goats?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"
But there's clearly nothing anti-semitic about saying that and nobody would ever complain there was.
Researcher: "How could the hijacked planes fly over 8 United States Air Force bases without having a single warplane come up to intercept them?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"
But there's clearly nothing anti-semitic about saying that and nobody would ever complain there was.
Researcher: "Who ordered the fighters from Andrews Air Force Base 180 miles out into the Atlantic making it impossible for them to intercept the aircraft headed for the Pentagon?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"
But there's clearly nothing anti-semitic about saying that and nobody would ever complain there was.

I know this is getting boring already, but blame Rivero/WRH.
Researcher: "What order did Dick Cheney let stand, according to Norman Mineta?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"
But there's clearly nothing anti-semitic about saying that.........
Researcher: "Why do load-bearing beams in the ruins of the World Trade Towers show clear signs of demolition charges?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!
But there's clearly nothing anti-semitic about saying that.........
Researcher: "How can the wreckage from Flight 93 be spread out over 8 miles of countryside when the official story says the plane augered into the ground during a fight between the passengers and the hijackers?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"

Researcher: "Why are the names of the accused hijackers not on the actual passenger manifests of the flights as issued by the airlines?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"

Researcher: "Why do we hear explosions the moment building 7 starts to collapse?"

ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!"
There's simply nothing explicitly anti-semitic about anything the "researcher" says. What is of anti-semitic nature is the inclusion of the spurious ADL responses, a purposeful misrepresentation of the position of anyone who protests the racism of anti-semitism.

This is the neuro-linguistic-programming method applied to anti-semitism? Rivero concludes:
You see what I mean. The ADL is acting like they have something to hide.
Only the ADL never complained about those things, rather that those saying such things are anti-semites who blame 911 (and everything else) on Jews.

The comments added by WRH readers are fascinating, if gruesome:
z00mcopterdown
if you want to get technical about it, if you say the truth about history itself, you're bound to be anti-zioturd (which they conveniently morphed into a race which happens to be the race of their arch enemies, the palestineans and the syrians, i.e. the semites).

09/10/2011 - 15:28
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one more time !
Old_Logan
You see what I mean. The ADL is acting like they have something to hide.

(*ADL: "YOU'RE JUST BEING AN ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!!!" )

09/10/2011 - 12:26
3
I was personally attacked in
dawson
I was personally attacked in the ADL hit piece the Jpost and Haaretz

www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons

09/02/2011 - 09:12
4
I am soooooooooooooooooooooo
Mike Rivero
I am soooooooooooooooooooooo jealous.

Michael Rivero
webmaster
What Really Happened

09/02/2011 - 11:06
5
We'll never be allowed the truth about HOW they did 9/11...
Esso
But we know WHO did 9/11.

9/11 was jews.
9/11 was Israel.
9/11 was zionists.

How many rats have to carry the plague, before you start exterminating rats?

Anti-semitic? You betcha. If you're not anti-semitic, my question to you is; WHY NOT?

Even dogs are smart enough to be able to make the determination between being stumbled over and being kicked.

09/02/2011 - 09:03
Notice Rys2Sense responds in the comments? Rys2Sense is Dawson ..... Ryan Dawson ...anti-neocondos.com

Dawson's the 'anti-racist' whom opposes Jewish self-determination even as he helps rehabilitate Nazism.

Click the links on the right somewhere.

How can Rys2Sense/Dawson seriously posture that he's anti-racist and anti-fascist when he's so involved with people speaking like that? Dumb.

How can Rivero posture that he isn't anti-semitic? Why does he bother? Oh....that's not hard to answer is it?

And so many of these people are blabbing about a spectre of fascism. Now that really is Orwellian.

Monday, 15 August 2011

Friday, 18 March 2011

Events prove Rivero to be completely wrong

Events have overtaken Rivero, proving his claims wholly wrong. Events have proven his analysis to be errant nonsense.

Rivero has been spitting fury because apparently Israel has been working to undermine what he calls the Libyan 'democratic revolution' - because Israel's like that, see. Rivero claims that because Israel is pro-Gadaffi, and against the rebels, then no international intervention could take place against Libya. Rivero said the world would cave-in to Israeli influence....just as the USA always does, apparently.

Here's Rivero from just a few days ago:


So, according to Rivero ISrael is fighting on behalf of Gadaffi, and therefore Gadaffi's regime is immune to international concern and agitation.

Here's Rivero expounding on his meme:



Pretty clear position, right? Here's Rivero again, effectively supporting military action against Gadaffi (something he is always against when it is the USA seeking intervention):



When the UN vote on intervention was mooted, Rivero claimed that the USA would veto it, under direction from Gadaffi's supporters in Israel, of course (because Israel runs America, according to Rivero):



And yet, when the UN voted, it voted for military action against Gadaffi. Despite Israel running the USA, Mr Rivero?

When the vote came in, Rivero responded thus:



What on earth does he mean? That he really is shocked? The way he has written is a cliched way of saying one is not shocked - and yet events happened exactly contrary to what Rivero believed would happen. Rivero was proven completely wrong - about the UN voting for intervention, about a US veto, about Israel's influence on USA and the international community, UN etc.

He couldn't have been any more wrong. Yet now he asks us to 'imagine his shock'?

What is it that is going to give amongst Rivero's ridiculous analysis? Something has to. Somehow I don't think it will lead him to reassess Israel's influence.

Update - As soon as I finished this post I went back to WRH and one of the posts above has already been changed. This is how the comment now appears:



As the story develops Rivero has added this under a new story about the vote for military intervention:



So he *is* shocked?

Yes, your analysis was proven completely wrong, Mr Rivero! Absolutely, completely wrong.

Please take note? Neither USA nor the UN etc "caved-in" to Israel's determination to (supposedly) protect Gadaffi, Mr Rivero.

Interesting to see how he is going to squirm out of this.

ETA - in the day or so since Rivero posted on UN resolution he's gone pretty silent on Libya. WRH has posted 100 articles on nuclear fears re Japan, but only 15 articles relating to Libya. He's holding off commenting on any of it? Some of what he posted (without comment) was the usual critical view one might have expected Rivero to adopt - the view he'll probably retreat to once his lobbying and support for intervention drops back a few more pages. Amusingly he did say "no-one is mentioning the Israeli mercenaries" (which he claims are supporting Gadaffi). So why is USA attacking Israel's supposed interests, Mr Rivero? No answer.

Thursday, 17 February 2011

Antiwar.com - blatant anti-semitic lying

SOURCE

These are the most contentious claims:

1) Israeli FM Threatens War With Iran Over Suez Warship Claim

2) Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman .... suggested this could provoke an Israeli attack on the nation.

If one follows the links antiwar.com give which are presumably supposed to flesh out their claims, there is not the least indication that their claims are merited. It's a complete fabrication.

The link antiwar.com provide leads to CNN saying:
Liberman urged Israel's allies to pay attention.

"We expect the international community to act speedily with determination against the Iranian provocations, designed to deteriorate the situation in the area, and put the Iranians in their place," he said.

Liberman's comments were not so much a threat but a wake-up call about a "worrying development," said a senior government official who was not identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

The official said Liberman was "painting it as a challenge to the West."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamim Netanyahu's office offered no immediate comment.
SOURCE
Of course, the story is iterated at poorrichard's blog, and promoted by WhatReallyHappened / Mike Rivero. Big shock.

This is just anti-semitism. Israel threatens war...... Do these people really see Israel threatening war based on the quotes in that CNN article? If they do, they are deeply anti-semitic and their judgement is way-beyond skewed. Crazy.

I tried posting some comments to the antiwar article, but they are in moderation. I asked them to backup their claims, and said if they couldn't then their claims shouldn't appear at all. Obviously.

My comments haven't appeared yet, but I notice that they did publish this one:
In light of the ethnic cleansing conducted by the "chosen" ones and supported by the Anglo Alliance of Terror ,Mr. Adolf begins to look like a Boy Scout.
Hitler as boy-scout, as compared to Israel. Well, if that gets published why even have moderation?

It's instructive, and not a little frightening to read the comments generated by this "antiwar" article. Here's the flavour so far:
-Are we to believe the same clowns who planted false information on Iraqi WMD's and murdered people on the high seas?

-They have some fucking nerve pointing their finger at IRAN, when what they did is 1000 X worse.

-The CIA could shut him up with a 9mm

-the Israeli FM doesn´t care. It´s not his business. He´s an insane religious war monger nut

-someone should put a muzzle on him.

-Its time the American Dog put a stop to the wagging of its Isreali Tail.

-Can ANYONE in our government get on the phone and shut up this jackass?

-Why do loud mouths like Lieberman push for wars when he is basically a man who never would put his rear end in harms way? I am shocked that he did not cry holocaust also.

-Expecting Lieberman to "grow up" is like expecting a brownshirt to go into a hippie commune.

-let them start a war over it and see what happens.
All that from an entirely fabricated headline. Nevermind the clear cause is manouevering of Iranian warships near Israeli waters - at Suez! - eh, antiwar.com?

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There's another article at antiwar.com that claims,
"The two ships have been confirmed as a supply ship and a frigate, and are said to be heading to Syria, which prompted Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman to threaten war yesterday."
SOURCE
It links directly back to the original article I mentioned. So already it has been taken as "fact" and reiterated as such.

The author of BOTH articles is Jason Ditz - Antiwar.com's managing news editor!

And look at this - an antiwar.com audio piece about how
Jason Ditz, managing news editor at Antiwar.com, discusses Radio Free Europe’s strange accusation that Ditz is an Iranian agent
SOURCE
Well, how could that possibly make any sense!? LOL

Checking antiwar.com's Wiki page we find this gem:
According to Eric Margolis, “Americans would have been totally misled had it not been for the Internet sites like ‘Antiwar.com;’ ‘CommonDreams;’ LewRockwell; and Bigeye; and magazines like ‘American Conservative’ and ‘Harpers.
Nevermind that Eric Margolis is a featured writer at LewRockwell's website? Don't mention it, eh? Best not to. Incestuous lot, aren't they, these independent types?

Ironically, defending himself from accusations of being an Iranian agent, Ditz writes,
In the era of the Internet wild accusations gain a remarkable level of currency across broad swathes of society, and certainly people making up stories is nothing new.
SOURCE
Indeed, Mr Ditz.

Here's Ditz on Iranian elections:
the enormous majority apparently won by President Ahmadinejad seems to have left little doubt that the polls predicting his victory have proven accurate. The ability to maintain that majority even amid a high turnout seen to favor the challenger underscores his popularity
SOURCE
Very trusting, all of a sudden, isn't he?


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UPDATE: Antiwar.com have not published my comments questioning their claims, but they have just published this comment:
Avigdor nut should begin digging his own grave when he pushes the button for the 600 nuclear heads which Israel claim to have. Look at this nut-case's eyes. You can see the foolish satan in them. Even the King of Satans chose deformed satan to posses this idiot. If this Zionist idiot and his religious halfbred bastard start war with Iran then this will ignite WW3 then it will be the end of the Great Satanic Israel. WE should bring Senator Joe Doberman to Israel to be in the front lines.
They will publish that, but not me saying,
Please, back this up? Where - and how exactly - does Lieberman "suggest this could provoke an Israeli attack on Iran"?

If you can't justify such a claim, what was it ever doing there?
Why would a serious place publish the one comment and not the other? That's about all one need know, imo - that they publish a pile of vicious anti-semitic bullshit but refuse to publish the most pertinent (and polite) question.

From antiwar.com's own self-eulogy:
the editors take seriously our purely journalistic mission, which is to get past the media filters and reveal the truth about America's foreign policy.
SOURCE
Sorry, but what a load of codswallop. Get past the media filters? By publishing anti-semitic bullshit comments and fabricated headlines whilst refusing to print comments asking them to stand-up their own claims? Despicable. Antiwar?

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Update2 - They finally have published my comments! God, they're slow. The response unsurprisingly has the following tone:
ahh nice another aipac schill on antiwar.com spreading more disinfo. any one with a clue knows lieberman is a racist lunatic nut job. and seriously, what isn't an existential threat to israel?? the only state in the reigon with nukes and submarines to deliver them...and why is it that 2, TWO boats from iran on manuevers is an act of war. i guess having america having an entire carrier battle group cruising the straits of hormuz is a peaceful stance?? the hypocrisy is astounding.

what's rubbish is a bunch of pathetic zionists on this site trying to counter the facts that their nation state is an apartheid theocracy ruled by racist lunatics. islam is extreme and the land you stole belongs to you because god promised it?? it'd be funny if it wasn't such insane hypocrisy.
That's such a typical sort of response in such circumstance - it isn't just disagreement with my opinion, it's an entire worldview automatically placing me into (a vile little) box. Bizarre and quite disturbing. Antiwar.com is clearly succeeding in doing its job - creating Brownshirts.

Saturday, 12 February 2011

Banned and Censored at Rys2Sense - for 3rd Time

The Fearless Truthseekers at Rys2Sense/Anti-neocons have censored and banned me again.

One of the moderators, Tim, had posted a thread titled "The 'Muslim' Brotherhood, Freemasonry and Nazism" in the "Church & State, anti-Zionism" section. Tim's post simply contained a link:

http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/content/muslim-brotherhood


Whilst the Freemasonry angle is the usual conspiracist guff, the page does contain something about the real history of Nazism and Arab ultranationalism, The Grand Mufti in Berlin for the war, etc.

I took the opportunity to post from 2 articles and a report I have linked to here previously - on the Muslim Brotherhood, and on the history of Hamas and Al Qaida as ideological brethren of Nazism. I posted as Antifa_6_million:

All was deleted of course - without any acknowledgement that anything had been censored. Before deletion, my comments received just one reply, saying
Trading Ziofascism for Muslim fascism... but there are no Muslims pushing us to war, but plenty of Zios.

So that shows where the power is... not the Muslim Brotherhood
Funny. It wasn't about "where the power lies", it was about the FACTUAL HISTORIC connections between Muslim Brotherhood, Arab ultranationalism, Islamic fundamentalism and Nazism. Not 'where the power lies'. If the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas really are ideological allies of Nazism, then it's a bloody good thing they don't have power. But nevermind that, eh?

Of course, what I posted shatters the worldview of the anti-semitic conspiracist - and illuminates their claims with a rather embarassing light.

It's a history the 'anti-zionists' of Arab nationalism and Nazism would rather nobody heard. Hence Rys2Sense/anti-neocons deleted it all. Can't have people pointing out embarassing FACTS about our Islamic allies and the Nazis, can we? Nor can we have anything saying Hamas are akin to Al Qaida. That Mein Kampf is a best-seller in Islamic world etc. Nor can can we have anything which suggests Al Qaida has ever existed as an independent entity with a real, radical, offensive political and social agenda (Nazism with the Aryan Nation replaced by the Nation of Islam). All of this is contrary to the main notions of anti-semitic conspiracism and "911 as inside job" etc. Under that scenario, Al Qaida must be a product of American/Jewish world conspiracy, manipulated into acting American/Jewish interests so as to ultimately futher them (in what the conspiros ignorantly call 'the Hegelian dialect - problem, reaction, solution'.)

This is what they deleted:

The mad notion of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, suppressed in Germany since May 8, 1945, survived and flourished in the political culture of the Arab world. An especially striking example is the charter adopted in 1988 by the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine, better known as Hamas.

In the Charter, the Jews are accused of being behind all the shocks of modernity: “They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. (They are) behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.” In addition, they are held responsible for every major catastrophic event in modern history: The Jews "were behind the French Revolution [and] the Communist Revolution. . . . They were behind World War I . . . they were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. . . . There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it. . . . Their plan," states Article 32 of the charter, "is embodied in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

For example, in the “Letter to the American People” of November 2002, which the report repeatedly cites, bin Laden warns: “The Jews have taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense.” Osama goes on: “Your law is the law of rich and wealthy people. . . . Behind them stand the Jews who control your policies, media and economy.” Yet the report’s authors inexplicably fail to see the significance of these words and the ideology behind them.
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Substitute religious for racial purity, the idealized ummah of the rule of the four righteous caliphs of the mid-7th century for the mythical Aryan "Volksgemeinschaft", and most ideological and organizational precepts of Nazism laid out by chief theoretician Alfred Rosenberg in his work The Myth of the 20th Century and by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, and later put into practice, are in all essential respects identical to the precepts of the Muslim Brotherhood after its initial phase as a group promoting spiritual and moral reform. This ranges from radical rejection of "decadent" Western political and economic liberalism (instead embracing the "leadership principle" and corporatist organization of the economy) to endorsement of the use of terror and assassinations to seize and hold state power, and all the way to concoction of fantastical anti-Semitic conspiracy theories linking international plutocratic finance to Freemasonry, Zionism and all-encompassing Jewish world control.

Not surprisingly then, as Italian and German fascism sought greater stakes in the Middle East in the 1930s and '40s to counter British and French controlling power, close collaboration between fascist agents and Islamist leaders ensued. During the 1936-39 Arab Revolt, Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, head of German military intelligence, sent agents and money to support the Palestine uprising against the British, as did Muslim Brotherhood founder and "supreme guide" Hassan al-Banna. A key individual in the fascist-Islamist nexus and go-between for the Nazis and al-Banna became the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Husseini - incidentally the later mentor (from 1946 onward) of a young firebrand by the name of Yasser Arafat.

A central role in the propaganda offensive was played by a Nazi wireless station, now almost totally forgotten. Since the 1936 Berlin Olympics a village called Zeesen, located to the south of Berlin, had been home to what was at the time the world’s most powerful short-wave radio transmitter. Between April 1939 and April 1945, Radio Zeesen reached out to the illiterate Muslim masses through daily Arabic programmes, which also went out in Persian and Turkish. At that time listening to the radio in the Arab world took place primarily in public squares or bazaars and coffee houses. No other station was more popular than this Nazi Zeesen service, which skilfully mingled antisemitic propaganda with quotations from the Koran and Arabic music. The Second World War allies were presented as lackeys of the Jews and the picture of the "United Jewish Nations" drummed into the audience. At the same time, the Jews were attacked as the worst enemies of Islam: "The Jew since the time of Muhammad has never been a friend of the Muslim, the Jew is the enemy and it pleases Allah to kill him".

http://www.mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7692&sid=267d1ca00eb568875b786bc0372f2f73
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To my surprise Hamas turns out to be a Nazi-influenced, anti-Semitic, conspiratorial group, which sees religion as all, is primarily concerned with its competition against Fatah, and has the ultimate objective of the re-establishment of the Islamic Caliphate of old, an objective it shares fully with Al Qaeda. Hamas views on Jihad, Martyrdom, Western conspiracies against Islam since it was founded, and the absolute primacy of Islam in the world and in all areas of life are, to my amazement, nearly identical to those of Al Qaeda.

The Hamas Covenant, which is widely available and should be read by anyone interested in this issue, comprehensively reflects the views of Hassan al- Banna, Sayyid Qutb, and Abdullah Azzam, respectively the founder, key ideological influence, and patron of the Muslim Brotherhood.

These three, are (as set out in my book on the subject) also core ideologists of Al Qaeda , bringing their radical views on Jihad, militant Islam, martyrdom, the importance of a tiny vanguard leading the masses in the "right" direction, and a deep--seated belief in worldwide conspiracies, especially against the one true religion, Islam, into this completely religious document. The Oxford dictionary definition of a covenant is "An agreement held to be the basis of a relationship of commitment with God". The Hamas Covenant begins with the words: "In the name of the most merciful Allah", and very much continues in that vein.

The second paragraph of the Covenant contains a key quotation from Hassan al Banna -- "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

Sayyid Qutb, the godfather of Al Qaeda, wrote a paper in 1950, Our struggle with the Jews, which says: "the Jews were the enemies of the Moslem community from the first day... This bitter war which the Jews launched against Islam... Is a war, which has not been extinguished, even for one moment, for close on fourteen centuries, and which continues until this moment, its blaze raging in all corners of the earth... The Jews also utilised Christianity and idolatry in this comprehensive war... They attack every foundation of this religion in a Crusader-Zionist war." This is all Al Qaeda anti-semitic commentary and ideology and is clearly at the core of the Covenant and belief system of Hamas.

Abdullah Azzam , the patron of Hamas, coined the famous aphorism-"Jihad and the rifle alone: no negotiations, no conferences, and no dialogues”. This approach forms a core tenet of Al Qaeda and -as we will see - of Hamas.
These three core influencers on the Muslim brotherhood (the parent of Hamas ) are all highly anti-Semitic. Amplifying that anti-Semitism was the Nazi influence brought to the Muslim brotherhood and Hamas by the first leader of the Brotherhood in Palestine, Amin al -Husseini who held the office of Mufti of Jerusalem from 1921 onwords. The mufti spent most of the Second World War in Berlin with a staff of 60. A rabid supporter of Nazi Germany he broadcast on a Nazi Arabic-language station broadcasting out of the south of Berlin during the Second World War. After that war the Mufti was appointed leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and deputy to Hassan Al-Banna.

Before the war the Muslim Brotherhood, part funded by the Nazi regime in Germany, distributed copies of Hitler's Mein Kampf and the Mufti himself acknowledged that it was only due to the German funds he had received that it had been possible to carry through the Arab Uprising in Palestine between 1936 and 1939. It is notable that during that uprising , more murders and homicides occurred inside the Palestinian camp than were perpetrated against the Jews or British. This trait of internecine Palestinian conflict has, unfortunately been worsened with the arrival of Hamas on the scene.

With this dual heritage from key Al Qaeda ideologists and from Nazi Germany, it is easy to understand why anti-Semitic comments are scattered throughout the Covenant. These refer to supposed Jewish world cconspiracies,The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, supposed Jewish control of the League of Nations, the UN and the UN Security Council, and Jewish responsibility for all wars, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution etc etc.

http://www.richardwhelan.com/otherarticles/14January2009.htm
They also deleted a music video I had posted without comment in the 35-page songs thread. It was the Protocols song by that Rabbi dude. They need to get a life? Sheesh.

Oh, I also posted this link to a very interesting report on the Muslim Brotherhood which raises some very serious issues:
http://www.currenttrends.org/docLib/20090411_Merley.USBROTHERHOOD.pdf

All was deleted at Rys2Sense / Anti-neocons. Truthseekers, see......

This seems to really expose their claim to be antifascist as - a lie. Clearly, the interests of Islamic fundamentalism and anti-semitism trump anti-fascism at Rys2Sense and Anti-neocons. And it's one thing to disagree with the contents of what I posted, but it's quite another to refuse to allow them to appear. The content of the articles they deleted explains the reasons they were deleted. Neat.

This is quite disturbing behaviour for people whom appear to believe they are "anti-fascist". Black is white. Hello Orwell.

Tuesday, 8 February 2011

So who is to blame, Ryan Dawson?

Oh wow. The movers and shakers are.....Christians and Jews! It's not really saying anything much is it? And hold on - doesn't Ryan Dawson's signature say "This is not a site to flail on about space aliens-illuminati-masonic-deathcult-jewish-catholic-lizard-lucifarian-jesuit-queen-barvarian-etc bull hockey."

Indeed it does. It even says "Take that junk somewhere else."


So one can't say it is Catholics, but one can say "Die-hard Christians!"? One can't say "Jesuits" but one can say 'Die-hard Jews'?

But hold on....Ryan says he's against claims about Jews, he's opposed to Zionism not religious Jews? Or....well, who knows? One moment it's one thing, the next another.

Ryan explains, kinda (lol):
... the faction that has nothing to fear from the US media and who could cover up something as huge as 911 or larger are the Zionists of Israel and their allies in the US government and press who all profit through the MIC and investments from fringe element religious organizations who are rewarded with air-time.
So now it's 'the Zionists of Israel' and the military industrial complex(MIC) to blame? How does all that fit together? Ryan again:
"Multi-national corporations run our press and government. They tie back to the privately owned central banks."
So, 'christians and jews' must run multi-national corporations? Amazing.
The Central banks as you know are rooted back to the same Zionists who wrote the plans for foreign policy
Where did the die-hard Christians go?

So, the MIC controls corporations, press and banks.....all tied back to the private central banks....which are 'rooted' with those same 'Zionists of Israel' etc profiting from the MIC?
The US and Israeli agencies and their Neocon governments work for their own interests and those interests are guided by a racist, political ideology mixed up with a fascist version of a religion and Straussian philosophy.
Their own interests? The 'racist political ideology' of Zionism, apparently. So the MIC is 'guided' by this supposed racist Israeli Zionism then?

Ryan once again:
Israel is a violent nation that engages in false flag operations routinely and serves the interests of the MIC not any particular ethnicity.
Eh? Now Israel serves the interests of the MIC not 'any particular ethnicity', and yet the MIC is guided by 'the racist Zionism' of Israel. Glad that's clear! [Pssst! Noticed the circularity there yet?]

Ryan again:
US foreign policy works for Likud Israeli interests first second and third. This is because the Zionists and MIC have overlapping financial interests. But most of all the press is Zionist.
Ah - overlapping interests now? Separate and distinct, but 'overlapping'? That doesn't explain why America would work to Israel's agenda and not the other way around.

Ryan really does think all roads lead to Israel. Apparently Zionism is racist, provides a philosophy for the MIC and controls America's press politics and policy to serve its own interests - even though Israel apparently 'serves the MIC and not any particular ethnicity'.

Yet if Israel doesn't 'serve a particular ethnicity' how is it racist? And how come America apparently serves Israeli Likud interests rather than the other way around if Israel's Zionists don't serve any particular ethnicity only the interests of the MIC?

How can MIC serve the interests of 'the racist Israeli Zionists' whilst Israel serves the MIC interests and not 'any particular ethnicity'?

This is just a run-around - batshit crazy bamboozled. It's a load of half-arsed tautology playing kiss-chase with anti-semitism.

Zionism

"Zionism is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland".
SOURCE
Anti-zionism is therefore opposition to 'the self-determination of the Jewish people'.

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The charge is sometimes made that Zionism is inherently "racist" because its concern is specifically Jewish. However, Judaism can be practiced by anyone from any race, so it simply cannot be a matter of race and cannot rightly be called "racist".

Moreover, those claiming to be 'anti-Zionist' don't appear to consider the constitutions of specifically Islamic nations to be offensive. However they do find Israel's foundation as a Jewish nation objectionable. Clearly the distinction that causes them such offence is not the fact it is a religion, because they accept Islamic state constitutions as legitimate and offer no protest about it.

Instead, this sort of supposed 'anti-racist anti-zionism' is against the ethnic part of jewish identity: the offence must be being taken at the ethnic (Jewish) part of the distinction of "Jew/Jewish nation", rather than the religious aspect because Judaism can of course be adopted and practiced by anyone from any ethnic group).

Here's Ryan Dawson's claim about his website, anti-neocons.com:


Ryan bluntly equates zionism as racism (thereby suggesting his grounds for opposition is anti-racism. Who would complain about that, eh?).

But clearly, absolutely anybody whom supports Israel or Jewish self-determination can be called a Zionist, and anybody from any ethnicity can adopt Judaism. If Zionism is support for Jewish self-determination and any ethnicity can adopt Judaism, it can't be 'racist'.

Are we to understand then that when Ryan says 'Zionist' he really means ethnic Jew? What else can it mean? The only possible 'racial' aspect of "Zionism" would be if one considered Zionism a description to be applied only to ethnic jews. This conclusion is given additional weight by the loose and interchangeable use of "Jewish" and "Zionist" right across Ryan Dawson't website, including his own work.

Here's a Rabbi. Presumably he's a 'racist zionist', according to Ryan Dawson:


Maybe he is a racist? But about which 'race'?

And aren't these 'racist Zionists' just awful? Here's a picture from 'the racist fascist state of Israel'.....yawn.


'Zionism as racism' is an untenable position, and what we're really seeing is an attack on ethnic jews. It isn't Zionism that is being attacked here but rather the Zionism of ethnic jews. If it isn't that, what is it? There is no other answer available?

Also, is it not an act of racial prejudice to discount the Zionism of non-ethnic jews, whilst opposing the Zionism of ethnic jews?

So, what is the substance of the objection to Zionism as racism? Nothing, it's a hollow claim, and so it seems the whole notion is a mental contortion undertaken by anti-semites to escape the fact of their prejudice. Whether undertaken consciously (and cynically for propaganda purposes) or not, the result is the same.

Here's Ryan Dawson(Rys2Sense)'s view of the press: "the press is Zionist"


So what on earth does that mean? That the press supports 'a right for Jewish peoples' self determination'? What's wrong with that? Of course, when asked for the basis of this assertion that 'the media is Zionist' we're demeaned by Jew-spotters saying "He's a jew!" As if being Jewish is automatically the same as being a Zionist.

And look, here's Ryan claiming elsewhere that Israel and Zionism don't serve any particular ethnicity: Ryan says: "Understand that Israel is not Jewish people OK please get that through your warped heads. Israel is a violent nation that engages in false flag operations routinely and serves the interests of the MIC not any particular ethnicity.


If Israel 'does not serve any particular ethnicity' how can Ryan Dawson claim it is racist-zionist?

Clearly Ryan is a bit confused and his use of terms inaccurate at best.

Monday, 7 February 2011

Miscellaneous Wisdom from Anti-neocons.com

Here's a few more pearls thrown from high table at anti-neocons.com - a supposed "anti-fascist" website:
Why shouldn't he attack Linton's house if Linton is an infiltrator and possible a Jew puppet? As the video says, you need to counter infiltrate to bring these people down.

Interestingly that thread features a direct link to Stromfront as a source. Shock! The author of the comment is "Drew J" - Joined: Jan 9th, 2007, Posts: 1629 The poster can't be dismissed as a short-term member.

The content of "Drew J's" posts are identical to those at Stronfront and National Alliance type places - they're far-right, anti-semitic, fascist, neo-nazi. Same content, same sources, same agenda, same distortions and sytle of fear-mongering. It's fascist propaganda. And Drew J spends pages posting typical Stormfront crap, and yet nobody at the supposed "anti-fascist" forum bats an eye. Or rather, those that do protest get banned - for being agents of the Jews....err...Zionists.

Here's Drew J responding in the same comment again - look at what he's actually condoning?
Tell me what Brendon meant by it. Because I heard him say he wanted them put in camps only to be asked where their loyalties were. If they said Israel, out of the camps they go and off to Israel. If they said their host nation and say passed a lie detector test, boom out of the camp and back into society. If I'm wrong, correct me and prove it. Don't just make insinuations that he wants them holocausted.

Camps, lie detectors, deportation. All fine. But how dare one suggest this smacks of the Nazis! Sheesh. That comment was in response to somebody saying that the person facing criminal charges for racism - Brendon - had in fact called "Jews to be dealt with like the good old days....."

Rather than report some anti-semitic nut getting done for racism, Drew J and the antineocons forum allowed the far-right narrative to be told - until one person stepped in to point out the guy was in fact a (racist) nut. Drew J sold the story as he often appears to - as one of Jewish malignancy:
The Jews in Australia have been leaning on Brendon charging him with racial vilification.
Anti-Zionism? Oh yeah, sure. Drew J has no inclination to make a distinction here whatsoever and nobody else at "anti-neocons.com" notices, despite their lame claims to not "hate jews".

Wednesday, 2 February 2011

Deleted by Rys2Sense

I posted 10 messages or so at Rys2sense's website "anti-neocons". All of them were removed within hours without response. They were all civil, relevant but critical comments.

RysSense is often linked to by Mike Rivero's WhatReallyHappened website. Rys is a member of WRH and pursues much of the same interests - an obsession with Jews, Holocaust denial, grand conspiracy etc. He's recently been engaging in sedition over at youtube.

Anyway, in the comments at YouTube he said I should join his forum and enter "a debate" about the Holocaust there.

Thing is, I already tried, and he removed it. Repeatedly. And banned my user account. Rys denies he "ever" censored me - but he did it repeatedly with no warning, no explanation, and no public notice.



That post should appear here:
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=148136#p148136

But it doesn't.

I have the evidence of another 10 posts being deleted. Ok, Rys? Stop lying now, huh? The evidence is clear - Rys does delete posts from his site - simply because they are critical of his POV.

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ETA - Larry has been banned from this blog after repeatedly refusing to listen to requests to ease-up with his bile and his filthy childish bad-language. Here's a sample of just a few days of Larry's posts - this is what gets him banned everywhere he goes:
Fuck you....you fucking panzy ass....Tell me shithead...your fucking LYING.....you keep fucking saying.....moronic shithead....youve been fucking OWNED.....answer my question asshole....OVER AND FUCKING OVER you big fucking dickhead.........you fuckwads....if you fucking ANSWERED it....Hey LAST FAG LEFT....asshole...youre an asshat....you prick!.....NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS!...all the shit YOUVE said...the shit I posted...douchebag....youre a colossal dicknut....Hey.....ASSHOLE....you fucking IGNORE....You pathetic sack of shit!....asshole!....Dipshit....asshole!...dickweed.
Larry has previous for this behaviour, he does it everywhere he goes. Here's an earlier example of Larry's literary style, for which he was previously banned here. Check out how honestly Larry reports his banning?? Larry is incapable of realising why he gets banned everywhere? He's a sick puppy.

Tuesday, 26 October 2010

Paul Fromm -> Arthur Topham -> Rense -> You












Paul Fromm -> Arthur Topham -> Rense -> You

Image: Lorraine Hjalte/Calgary Herald
Source: News Release from the Anti-Racist Organizer

Wikipedia : Frederick Paul Fromm (born January 3, 1949), known as Paul Fromm, is a Canadian White Nationalist, based in Port Credit, Ontario, with a radio show on the Stormfront web site and ties to former KKK members David Duke and Don Black (white nationalist) through Stormfront. He has been described by national media as "one of Canada's most notorious white supremacists".[1]

Radical Press' Arthur Topham on Paul Fromm:
Paul Fromm and I have been working together on issues for close to a decade now after first meeting online while I was printing my hard copy edition called The Radical.

Mr. Fromm’s many years of experience in battling the good fight to retain freedom of speech and expression for all Canadians makes his participation in this present struggle with B’nai Brith Canada over the Section 13(1) issue one of vital importance.
SOURCE
Arthur Topham on Jeff Rense:
"He was posting my material without any problems until one day about a year ago he suddenly contacted me to say that I had spammed him by sending him something like 14 or 15 copies of an article and so he was removing me from his email list......I tried to appeal to him via a mutual correspondent Henry Makow but nothing ever came of it.

Now, in retrospect, I suppose I should check into the last few articles that I did send him. Possibly I was exposing the anti-Muslim bashers and hate-mongers and thus fell from Jeff’s grace."
SOURCE

Sunday, 24 October 2010

Makow on Rense vs Mark Glenn

Looks like an argument has broken out amongst the lunatics. It seems to revolve around Lunatic Jeff Rense publishing stuff that Lunatic Mark Glenn thought was offensively anti-Islamic. The Lunatic Makow reports:
Among the thousands of articles Jeff has posted since last summer were two which Mark felt were anti Islam. Mark felt they played into the hands of Zionists who are trying to pit Christians against Muslims and asked Jeff to remove them. Jeff refused. He will not permit anyone to censor his news content or tell him how to run his site. Mark retaliated by launching a vitriolic attack on Jeff.

Ironically, both imitated the hated Zionists by playing the "hate card." Mark accused Jeff of inciting hatred against Muslims. Jeff accused Mark of inciting Muslim terror against him personally.
They're accusing each of other of exploiting 'hate'? No shit, Sherlock. They are former buddies so they really should know. The Lunatic Makow continues:
Jeff threatened to call the FBI and Homeland Security on Mark. Mark said Jeff was threatening Mark's wife and nine children.

When I suggested to Jeff that Homeland Security is the antithesis of everything he represents, he agreed. He was just trying to get Mark to understand how seriously he took Mark's readers' vitriol.

Jeff argued that these two articles were exceptions among thousands that are pro-Muslim or expose the Zionist NWO threat.

One was a ridiculous Zionist propaganda piece that he had meant to label as such. He expected his readers to recognize it.

Mark Glenn certainly didn't nor did he accept Jeff's explanation.
HAHA. Prior to this they would each have been defending one another from the accusations of being 'haters'. Amusing. And note: 'a propaganda piece that he meant to label as such.....he expected his readers to recognise it'. Ah - it was just one little mistake, says Makow:
Some days he [Rense] uploads over 100 stories. No, he cannot read them all from beginning to end. He readily admits that some things get past him. Let's cut him some slack.
Oh wow - what a guy! He uploads news stories! Woah boy! Amazing. Sometimes he even reads them. Incredible.
The attacks on Jeff simply ignore his extraordinary ability and record of service. He has provided us with the leading alternative to the mass media. Hundreds of thousands of people depend on him. He has worked 14 hours a day, seven days a week, year after year for 15 years. He has not taken a vacation in that time. Yet he has had no formal recognition or thanks.

Rather Jeff is now vilified and accused of being a Zionist mole, which is absurd. People on Mark's site said Jeff's father worked for the Rand Corp. Jeff's father worked in PR for McDonald Douglas. His step mother is a publishing executive.
Oh, really. And he joined the CIA in what year? lol Makow continues with his potted history of Rense:
He could see that TV News was becoming a mass mind control tool for the Illuminati and left a successful career to go into talk radio.
Ah of course! He was very successful but he left for obscurity and peddling tripe instead - and all because of the Illuminati. They get everywhere, right? Makow again:
He was chosen to face off against Art Bell's Coast to Coast when Bell's network bought Jeff's. There was room for both of them but Art Bell couldn't take the competition and insisted that Jeff be fired.
Oh right. Rense's network was bought up by Art Bell's network? (I thought it was supposed to be only those nasty corporations (and the Joooos!) who formed 'networks'......) Jeff Rense certainly has a profile that fits a ....... propagandist. Even some of his many former friends agree, right Marky Glenn? lol. Back to Makow:
Jeff and I don't always agree. Jeff is a lot more skeptical about the holocaust than I am. He has posted some articles that I found offensive. I thought they did his site a disservice. (We would both like to see an impartial investigation.)
Another story that sounds like a deep gloss. Rense is 'a lot more skeptical than Makow' about the Holocaust? What does that mean? That he's a Holocaust denier.
Makow: I also cautioned him [Rense] about the anti-Islam articles.
But not the anti-semitism? Anyway - what does he mean when he said he 'cautioned' Rense? He doesn't give the important details. Makow:
I also appreciate that he [Rense] treats Jews as individuals and judges them on their individual behavior. He is not a racist in the sense of condemning all Jews for the actions of so many.
Not a racist in the sense of.....? IS he a racist in a different sense then?
Makow: When I pointed out that a contributor had advocated rounding up all US Jews, Jeff immediately took the offending article down.
Oh fairplay to Rense, eh! (I guess that was just another one that 'slipped through')

Makow goes on to say
Let's save our venom for the enemy: the Masonic Jewish central banking cartel, specifically the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and their myriad dupes, lackeys and tools.
I just have to wonder what the word Jewish is doing in that sentence if Makow really isn't being 'racist'. Makow concludes:
We all owe Jeff Rense a vote of thanks. He may have made mistakes but he doesn't deserve the treatment he received from Mark and his followers.
You think so? I don't care but it's ever so much fun seeing lunatics attacking each other. haha.

Mark Glenn responded by publishing an open letter. Mark Glenn claims
"I have sent him [Rense] MANY emails–all in a very polite, respectful, and gentle manner, asking him if he thought it was wise to do such things, given the mission we are all supposed to be fighting for."
What mission is that? They never say, do they? Not in public, at least. And who is the "we" that Glenn speaks of? Who are they, what do they want, what do they do?

Glenn gives us an idea of what he at least thinks they were supposed to be working together for:
[Rense] never, NEVER, presented these articles as “examples” of the lying the enemy does. Like the ridiculous articles written by Devvy Kidd and Frosty Wooldridge that he gave showcase attention to, they were always put out there as “stand alones” with his obvious stamp of approval viz a viz their believability.

It was not until recently that I became less ‘gentle’ in my nudging JR [Jeff Rense] on this issue, and for obvious reasons. Given that innocent people are having their throats cut, their homes and mosques set on fire and, in the case of my good friend Hesham Tillawi who had a car set on fire in the parking lot of the mosque where he and his family attend, this is no longer a theoretical game. Real people are being hurt in real ways and the reason for it is simple–JEWISH LIES, and Jeff Rense–despite the good he may do in running articles critical of Zionism and Jewish power, nevertheless negates the good he does when he allows his forum to be used as an instrument for spreading the enemy’s propaganda.
Jewish lies? But I thought this wasn't supposed to be about 'race'? Incredible that someone as indulgent of anti-semitism and far-right racism as Mark Glenn can fail to see the irony of his own sensitivity about anti-Islamism. Nothing to do with his own biases, of course.....(he's a Muslim and head of Crescent and Cross Propaganda machine. He helped promote a fascist white-supremacist conference which masqueraded under the guise of a pro-palestinian, anti-war conference. Mike Rivero promoted it too.)

Hilariously Mark Glenn can't resist a dig at Rense's wackiness -
"I have never given Rense an ounce of grief over the articles he runs dealing with the Art Bell/National Enquirer paranormal-type articles that make the rest of us look like fools for all the nonsense they contain."
Seems their anti-semitism was the thing that united them? Glenn:
"Now, as to the “event” itself. The fact is that the time span between the last email communication I had with JR and him threatening to send the aforementioned federal agencies against me was nearly 2 weeks. There was NO REASON for him to contact David Duke and use him (for the 4th time) as a messenger in conveying this threat. I had written no articles, had not mentioned his name on any radio programs. His was the provocation, not mine."
Oh dear - David Duke as a go-between! It just gets better......haha. But these people aren't racists, of course. Not in some contorted Makowian sense, at least....... What a bunch of jokers. Their arguments most clearly betray them - their nasty internecine spats are by far the most interesting and revealing items they ever generated. lol.

Lastly, Glenn reveals another very interesting connection between these people and fascism/racism -
Furthermore, after doing the book review for you for AFP and in the subsequent agreement you had with them to get up-front free advertising in return for which you would send them a portion of the book sales you received from their ad, it was because of MY vouching for your honest character that they agreed to do it, as they were very reluctant to make a deal like that with someone they did not know and had not worked with before.
AFP is of course Willis Carto's American Free Press. (Carto is considered to be N AMerica's leading anti-semitic and far-right propagandist, publisher of Holocaust denial, friend of Stormfront, David Duke etc).

What a right little nest of fascists we have here. Tut tut. Truth movement, indeed........

I have been pointing out these connections to Troofers and Paytiots for years now. But they're so far gone....they just don't care. It isn't a surprise, because there must be political reasons underlying the interconnection of all these people and their respective audiences - anti-semitism and fascism.

The comments page at Mark Glenn's blog in response to his open letter about this reads like a "who's who" of the....errr...."movement": Arthur Topham (from Radical Press) appears, as does Phil Tourney, Joe Cortina and John Kaminski - all having digs at various personalities of 'the movement'. It's a real treasure trove of damning information, referencing Willis Carto's AFP, Jim Tucker, David Duke, Michael Collins Piper, Chris Bollyn, Mike Rivero, John Stadtmiller, Curt Maynard - all the usual far-right scumbags......

Link to Glenn's blogpage, here. Very interesting to watch them all go at it. Paranoia? Anti-semitism? Conspiracies? Particularly amusing was Mark Glenn saying that 'Americans are stupid, so ET & UFO stuff is too difficult for them. Better to keep it simple at first and raise more difficult issues (like ET) later.' HAHA. These people are such morons - yet they happily describe americans as "stupid". Other Americans are stupid, not them, obviously......haha.

And there's all that stuff about Jews that stands as the subtext of all there squabbling - it looks pathetic, bubbling up in almost every comment. What a bunch of wankers. Credit to them though - they've achieved a considerable success: they've very clearly proven themselves to be a tight-knit bunch of complete tossers.

Sunday, 19 September 2010

Antisemitism on the Left - David Hirsh & Jane Ashworth

This article appears in the current issue of Progress Magazine

By denying the right of Israel to exist, anti-Zionists on the British left are in danger of pandering to anti-semitism, believe Jane Ashworth and David Hirsh

When British Jews gather to worship, sing songs or educate their children, they have to be guarded by armed police and community security people. Cars are discreetly placed across entrances to impede suicide bombers. Attacks on Jews and synagogues and Jewish cemeteries are still at a much lower level in the UK than other racist attacks, but they are growing year-by-year, and anti-semitic attacks peak at times when the Middle East is in the news.

Anti-semitic worldviews and narratives have also been making a comeback within and around the labour movement. There have been a number of angry controversies about the legitimacy of Israel, about the use of particular kinds of metaphors and images and about the role of Jews in relation to global imperialism and the Bush regime. Jews have been held responsible for taking the world into unjust wars – in which they themselves are unwilling to fight – and for forcing the great powers to alienate Muslims by supporting Israel. The integrity of Labour activists and progressive journalists has been called into question. Either the ‘Zionists’ – that is the epithet thrust onto people who think that Israel has the right to exist – are guilty of conspiracy, racism, imperialism, genocide and taking over other people’s countries, or there is a problem of anti-semitism on the left.

“Anti-Zionism creates a movement and a worldview that singles out Jews as being a central force for evil and imperialism in the world”

Some recent incidents, like the nighttime stripping of the Trade Union Friends of Israel stall at TUC Conference, are fairly trivial and may only be evidence of isolated cases of hysteria. Some, like the Labour general election campaign pigs and Fagin posters, are open to other than anti-semitic interpretations. But Ken Livingstone’s warm embrace, on behalf of London, of Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an openly anti-semitic cleric, shows a disregard for the importance of anti-semitism. The campaign for a boycott of Israeli artists, teachers, musicians, writers and researchers, which had some short-lived success in the Association of University Teachers, similarly refused to recognise the significance of singling out only Jews and the Jewish state for special punishment.

During the David Irving defamation trial in 2000, in which he denied there were Nazi gas chambers and claimed that the Holocaust had been invented by Jews and Zionists, there was a widespread mood of ambivalence, disquiet and cynicism. Holocaust denial has re-emerged recently with a call on the government to recognise the conflict between Israel and Palestine as being similar to the industrialised rounding-up and killing of millions of Jews, gays, Roma, Poles and Russians by the Nazis.

Each example of anti-semitism should sound alarms, but add them together and a serious structural problem begins to emerge. There is a problem of anti-semitism in British society and parts of the left peddle a particular version.

These days, nearly all anti-semitism is expressed in the language of anti-Zionism. Now, skinheads in Berlin affect a concern for Palestinian rights; Tory grandees and Republican isolationists worry that the existence of Israel is pulling the world into new global wars; open racists like David Irving and David Duke parrot George Galloway’s arguments for opposing the war in Iraq; Hizb'ut Tahrir and other fundamentalist groups make openly anti-semitic propaganda. It seems that everyone is now an ‘anti-Zionist’.

It is in this context that genuine friends of Israeli-Palestinian peace and those of us who want to support the Palestinian struggle for statehood operate. We, therefore, have a particular responsibility to be clear in our own minds where the boundaries lie between legitimate criticism of some of Israel’s oppressive actions and the demonisation of Israel, ‘Zionists’ and Jews. We have a responsibility to educate ourselves in the history of anti-semitism, in the way that anti-semitism operates now and has operated in the past and, especially, in the way that it has infected parts of our own left tradition.

It is sobering, therefore, that many people in the Palestine Solidarity Movement take the opposite view. Many deny that anti-semitism is a problem nowadays, particularly in relation to ‘real’ racism. Jews are not ‘oppressed’ and Jews do not suffer from social exclusion or particular poverty, they say. Anti-Zionists may sometimes get a little over-enthusiastic, they admit, but this is caused by Israel, by those who try to silence all criticism of Israel as anti-semitic. Besides, it is not real racism; it will disappear when the Jewish state is destroyed and there is justice for Palestinians.

The anti-Zionism that worries us is not the same as criticism of Israel. Israel is occupying and settling Palestinian land. In order to sustain this occupation, it uses racist violence and humiliation against the people that live in the West Bank. The occupation and some of Israel’s actions should be, and are, criticised by a large number of Israelis, Jews, and people around the world who are bothered by injustice. It is not those who protest against the injustice of the wall and the checkpoints, which control every stretch of road in the West Bank, who we worry about. It is not the just Palestinian aspiration to independence and statehood that worries us.

The anti-Zionism that worries us does not object to the policies of Israeli governments in the way that we might object to our own government’s policies. Rather, it understands those policies to be the necessary outcome of the existence of Israel. No other Israeli policy is conceivable to the anti-Zionists. So they do not criticise what Israel does. Rather, they criticise Israel’s very existence.

We are worried by the anti-Zionism that asks Israeli Jews – who are nearly all descended from victims of anti-semitism in Europe, in the Middle East and in Russia – to give up any aspiration to the possibility of self-defense by becoming the first nation in the world to voluntarily disband. If they refuse to do so, then the anti-Zionists would support the military conquering of Israel and its destruction as a nation state. Israel, and Israel alone for the anti-Zionists, must be incorporated by force into some larger political form.

We also worry when people are so much more enthusiastic in their anti-Zionism than they are in their criticism of regimes and movements that carry out much greater human rights abuses than Israel. Why do they seem unable to muster similar enthusiasm for criticism of China’s occupation of Tibet, for criticism of Saudi Arabia’s gender apartheid or for criticism of ethnic cleansing in Darfur? The list of more serious human rights abusers than Israel is long.

Left anti-Zionism inflates Israel into a symbol for all that is wrong with a world dominated by US imperialism. The details of the Roadmap or other actual, real-life political developments are rendered insignificant because the conflict is understood only though this symbolism. It is Manichaeism: the world is a great struggle between heroes and villains, only to be resolved by a great revelation and final undoing.

Conversely, the Palestinians have come to symbolise all victims, and their struggle has become the defining struggle against imperialism. Symbolic Zionists and victims replace real Jews and Palestinians in the left anti-Zionists’ imagination.

Some on the left seem to think that the only role that Muslims are able to play in this global showdown is to transform themselves into human bombs. They imagine glorious and tragic deaths as the only option left open to Muslims. The anti-Zionist imagination is filled with hopes for a symbolic victory over imperialism rather than with the actual struggle for a real Palestinian state alongside Israel. But painting Israel as an inhuman demon damages this real-world aspiration.

Terrorism may express anger and desperation but it, as the Palestinian leadership often points out, is not in the Palestinian national interest. The heroes of Palestine are not those who encourage teenagers to end their lives with a dramatic act of hatred and revenge. The real heroes are those Palestinians who find ways to educate the young, to look after the sick, the hungry and the desperate, to make links with anti-racist Israelis, and to invigorate the peace process. Real Palestinian heroes also engage in the political fight against those who want to build a new Palestine that is free of Jews, where women are barred from public life, where homosexuality is punished by death and where the rulers will be men of power who claim the right to speak on behalf of God.

We worry about the anti-Zionists that declare Jewish nationalism and only Jewish nationalism to be essentially racist. The reality is that Jewish nationalism, like all nationalism, contains an inter-woven tapestry of different threads and traditions. Some of these are right wing, some are ultra-nationalist, and many more are routine mixes of romance, desperation and abstract notions of nationhood mixed with a nod in the direction of a better tomorrow. Historically, many Israeli nationalists, thought of themselves as socialists. They wanted to build a new kind of state where Jews would work for themselves and would neither exploit nor be exploited.

Anti-Zionists, however, use a simple shorthand: Zionism equals racism. The effect of this is to encourage and to license people to treat those Jews who think that Israel has the right to exist as though they were racists. And the vast majority of Jews do support the right of Israel to exist. Many think of Israel as protection from a future genocidal threat. In this way, anti-Zionism sets itself up for a fight with Jews.

Anti-Zionism is not motivated by anti-semitism. It is motivated by concern for the oppressed. But it nevertheless creates a movement and a worldview that singles out Jews as being a central force for evil and imperialism in the world. Naturally, such movements are beginning to spawn people who are indeed motivated by anti-semitism. And this is where anti-Zionism begins to borrow from older forms of anti-semitism. It insists that Israel’s privileged role as the partner of American imperialism is protected by Jewish influence amongst the neo-conservatives and in American public life more generally. This easily sounds like, and becomes like, the Jewish conspiracy that was the myth at the heart of the ‘protocols’. It still sounds like it, and becomes like it, even if the word ‘Jew’ is replaced by the word ‘Zionist’.

Israel did not come into existence because of the utopian nationalist longings of early Zionists like Herzl. It came into existence because Europe tried to sweep itself clean of Jews. European fascism and anti-semitism transformed Israel from an idea into a reality. It is particularly unpleasant, then, when some anti-Zionists argue that Israel is a colony of European settlers representing European ideals of ‘progress’ and racism.

We learnt these lessons as children (when we read the Silver Sword), as teenagers (when we watched Cabaret and read Isherwood) and as grown-ups (when we read Jewish writers of fiction and twentieth century histories). It would be reasonable to expect products of such a liberal education to have a self-awareness that sets off alarm bells when anti-Zionism functions as a racist conduit. We might have expected political people to notice the racism of the movement around them. That this self-awareness or safety mechanism does not cut-in is testament to the power and pervasiveness of the anti-Zionist story.

Engage, an organisation dedicated to combating anti-semitism on the left, co-ordinated the campaign against the boycott in the AUT. Engage realised that a boycott is more likely to promote anti-semitism in the UK than it is to help Palestine. Engage was particularly disturbed by the boycotters’ analogy with apartheid South Africa. Like the analogy with Nazism, it is not intended to illuminate the problem of the Israel-Palestine conflict, but rather to demonize Israel. The boycotters’ argument was simple and effective. That Israel is an apartheid state is ‘demonstrated’ by an emotional speech giving a few nasty examples of Israeli institutional racism. We know what to do with an apartheid state: we boycott it. Discussion finished. It relies on the certainty of our hatred of apartheid and it links this with a half-accurate nostalgia of a victorious campaign.

In South Africa, the fight against apartheid was the fight to remove the white monopoly of political control and to create a new democracy – in effect to make a new type of country with a new political class. In Israel, the task is to force a negotiated withdrawal to the 1967 borders and to create a Palestinian state. The analogy relies on ignorance.

Writing for Engage, John Strawson explained the difference: ‘The whole argument about South Africa in the apartheid years was that it was quite exceptional. The racial classification board declared your race at birth, which would decide where you would live, what school you would attend, what job you could have, what wages you would earn, whether you could vote and what papers you carried. This does not happen in Israel, where Palestinians do have the vote and do participate in elections in all parties. Higher education is quite integrated. There are discriminatory laws, there is social discrimination and there is equivocation for equal rights on the designation of the state as ‘Jewish’. However, this is not apartheid South Africa where any organization opposed to the regime was banned and criminalized.’

The pro–boycotters have declared their intention to mobilise again in the universities. Some boycotters will be Jewish, some will certainly not be anti-semitic, but they will rely upon anti-semitic justifications. They will find amongst their friends and allies people who hate Israel more than they love Palestine. And they will find amongst their opponents anti-racists who will not tolerate their threat to create an anti-semitic current within the British labour movement.

Jane Asworth and Dr David Hirsh
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Excellent article. A great summary of the position, I think.