Anti-fascists? Idiots.

Anti-Neocons forum, baby of Rys2Sense, claims to be anti-fascist - but can't actually spot fascism.

I'd noticed that whilst they claimed to be "anti-fascist" they had included in their "news sources" an endorsement of AmericanFreePress, Willis Carto's fascist web presence. (Note how Carto's "AFP" resembles the "AFP" of Agence France Press, one of the world's leading news agencies? It isn't by chance.)

Here's the forum's endorsement of Willis Carto's fascist AmericanFreePress:


Suspicious of "anti-fascists" endorsing Willis Carto I had to ask what was the forum's view on fascism. I was seeking a declaration.

I asked "What is the general view of this board to fascism?"


Rys2Sense replied saying that "It would be the majority [that are anti-fascist] as in everyone but yourself who we believe to be a Zionist fascist."


So, Rys2Sense made a declaration that the forum was "anti-fascist". He also suggested it was in fact myself whom was the fascist - a zionist!

Having obtained a declaration against fascism from Rys2Sense, I then asked several times "WHO OWN AMERICAN FREE PRESS?" Eventually I got an answer:



Rys2Sense's Anti-NeoCon forum subsequently banned me, proceeded to attack me without right to reply, altered my posts, and then removed their link to Willis Carto's AmericanFreePress - the very same link I had complained about.

Here it is as it appears now, minus the link to Carto's AFP:

So, the forum is free of fascism now it has deleted that link, right? Nevermind how it got there in the first place?

And I can't give a direct link because I have been IP banned....by the "anti-fascists" at anti-neo-cons.com

So why did they delete the endorsement of AmericanFreePress? Because it was an embarassment? Well, what was it doing there in the first-place if Anti-neocons.com is actually antifascist? Clearly they are either incapable of spotting genuine fascism unless clearly labelled, or, as seems more likely, they are actually sympathetic to fascism even as they claim to be against it. [This is a pretty common fault across conspiracism - a claim to be anti-fascist appears whilst fascist propaganda and agenda are actually promoted. Larry Simons and BigDans'Big Blog have also fallen foul of unwittingly endorsing fascist AmericanFreePress whilst claiming to oppose "fascism". Indeed, this must be seen as evidence of the success of fascist agitation - ie it's common: even people whom claim to be "anti-fascists" can be found promoting fascism via endorsement of Carto's AmericanFreePress. That's exactly the result Carto wishes to obtain and vindicates the fascist's strategy of entryism and crypto-nazism. It works......because there are idiots like Anti-neocons.com whom can't (or won't) spot genuine fascism. The are, in fact, mere poseurs.]

You Have Been Banned

Rys2Sense issued a challenge at his forum saying that "You and I both know no one is going to try to debate me on this [Holocaust denial] here because when they can't control the media format they won't show up."

Here's the post:


Having previously been banned at Rys2Sense's forum I responded in the comments at his YouTube page. He again offered the challenge:


After I'd signed up and posted a few responses (which Rys was unable to address and which refuted some of his explicit claims) I was met with this:


http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/
My user name was CurtOnTheRadio Mk2 - because Mk I had already been banned.

My despicable behaviour is present in these threads:

[TBA when I get the addresses]

ETA 6/2/2011 - Here's what happens now at YouTube when I try to respond to Rys2Sense's invitation to "debate":


See, nobody will accept the challenge! Cowards! LOL

Deleted by Rys2Sense

I posted 10 messages or so at Rys2sense's website "anti-neocons". All of them were removed within hours without response. They were all civil, relevant but critical comments.

RysSense is often linked to by Mike Rivero's WhatReallyHappened website. Rys is a member of WRH and pursues much of the same interests - an obsession with Jews, Holocaust denial, grand conspiracy etc. He's recently been engaging in sedition over at youtube.

Anyway, in the comments at YouTube he said I should join his forum and enter "a debate" about the Holocaust there.

Thing is, I already tried, and he removed it. Repeatedly. And banned my user account. Rys denies he "ever" censored me - but he did it repeatedly with no warning, no explanation, and no public notice.



That post should appear here:
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=148136#p148136

But it doesn't.

I have the evidence of another 10 posts being deleted. Ok, Rys? Stop lying now, huh? The evidence is clear - Rys does delete posts from his site - simply because they are critical of his POV.

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ETA - Larry has been banned from this blog after repeatedly refusing to listen to requests to ease-up with his bile and his filthy childish bad-language. Here's a sample of just a few days of Larry's posts - this is what gets him banned everywhere he goes:

Fuck you....you fucking panzy ass....Tell me shithead...your fucking LYING.....you keep fucking saying.....moronic shithead....youve been fucking OWNED.....answer my question asshole....OVER AND FUCKING OVER you big fucking dickhead.........you fuckwads....if you fucking ANSWERED it....Hey LAST FAG LEFT....asshole...youre an asshat....you prick!.....NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS!...all the shit YOUVE said...the shit I posted...douchebag....youre a colossal dicknut....Hey.....ASSHOLE....you fucking IGNORE....You pathetic sack of shit!....asshole!....Dipshit....asshole!...dickweed.

Larry has previous for this behaviour, he does it everywhere he goes. Here's an earlier example of Larry's literary style, for which he was previously banned here. Check out how honestly Larry reports his banning?? Larry is incapable of realising why he gets banned everywhere? He's a sick puppy.

Rense.com : mouthpiece for neo-Nazi lies

Rense.com helped 'info-launder' the lies of neo-Nazi, Jamie Kelso's WhiteNews website:



Free and honest journalism? From Nazis? Are you sure, Mr Rense?

Surely unwarranted when the article in question appears to be nothing but malicious lies dripping with antisemitism. "Loughner's actually Jewish and the media aren't telling you....because they're all Jewish too!" Well, errr....no, but I don't suppose you're interested in that?

It's pure coincidence too, of course, that Rense.com prominently features the cartoons of Holocaust denier, David Dees. [When challenged on his Holocaust denial Dees' first effort at providing evidence was a link to Hal Turner! Brilliant.]

It's even more of a coincidence perhaps that when Rense fell out with Mark Glenn of Crescent and Cross he sent his mate David Duke around to.....well, who knows why he sent him? But send him he did, apparently.

A quick search for Willis Carto at Rense leads straight to Holocaust denial from Carto's minions - Piper Collins at TheBarnesReview (Holocaust denial, Nazi legitimisation)


Typical Holocaust denial. There's Nazism all around Rense.....and Rivero....and Alex Jones.....around the entire "patriot movement". All the same people regurgitating the same old guff. And Nazis all around. Just coincidence.....like these other connections.

In April 2003, Barnes Review announced that it is the exclusive distributor for Jewish Supremacism, a new book by Holocaust-denier and former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. The journal's web site advertises the book as including "a panoramic summary of fifty years of findings by Holocaust revisionists who have left the official version of 'the Holocaust' in shreds."
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Small world?

Law of the Jungle

In Praise of Idleness

By Bertrand Russell
[1932]

Like most of my generation, I was brought up on the saying: 'Satan finds some mischief for idle hands to do.' Being a highly virtuous child, I believed all that I was told, and acquired a conscience which has kept me working hard down to the present moment. But although my conscience has controlled my actions, my opinions have undergone a revolution. I think that there is far too much work done in the world, that immense harm is caused by the belief that work is virtuous, and that what needs to be preached in modern industrial countries is quite different from what always has been preached. Everyone knows the story of the traveler in Naples who saw twelve beggars lying in the sun (it was before the days of Mussolini), and offered a lira to the laziest of them. Eleven of them jumped up to claim it, so he gave it to the twelfth. this traveler was on the right lines. But in countries which do not enjoy Mediterranean sunshine idleness is more difficult, and a great public propaganda will be required to inaugurate it. I hope that, after reading the following pages, the leaders of the YMCA will start a campaign to induce good young men to do nothing. If so, I shall not have lived in vain.

Before advancing my own arguments for laziness, I must dispose of one which I cannot accept. Whenever a person who already has enough to live on proposes to engage in some everyday kind of job, such as school-teaching or typing, he or she is told that such conduct takes the bread out of other people's mouths, and is therefore wicked. If this argument were valid, it would only be necessary for us all to be idle in order that we should all have our mouths full of bread. What people who say such things forget is that what a man earns he usually spends, and in spending he gives employment. As long as a man spends his income, he puts just as much bread into people's mouths in spending as he takes out of other people's mouths in earning. The real villain, from this point of view, is the man who saves. If he merely puts his savings in a stocking, like the proverbial French peasant, it is obvious that they do not give employment. If he invests his savings, the matter is less obvious, and different cases arise.

One of the commonest things to do with savings is to lend them to some Government. In view of the fact that the bulk of the public expenditure of most civilized Governments consists in payment for past wars or preparation for future wars, the man who lends his money to a Government is in the same position as the bad men in Shakespeare who hire murderers. The net result of the man's economical habits is to increase the armed forces of the State to which he lends his savings. Obviously it would be better if he spent the money, even if he spent it in drink or gambling.

But, I shall be told, the case is quite different when savings are invested in industrial enterprises. When such enterprises succeed, and produce something useful, this may be conceded. In these days, however, no one will deny that most enterprises fail. That means that a large amount of human labor, which might have been devoted to producing something that could be enjoyed, was expended on producing machines which, when produced, lay idle and did no good to anyone. The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself. If he spent his money, say, in giving parties for his friends, they (we may hope) would get pleasure, and so would all those upon whom he spent money, such as the butcher, the baker, and the bootlegger. But if he spends it (let us say) upon laying down rails for surface card in some place where surface cars turn out not to be wanted, he has diverted a mass of labor into channels where it gives pleasure to no one. Nevertheless, when he becomes poor through failure of his investment he will be regarded as a victim of undeserved misfortune, whereas the gay spendthrift, who has spent his money philanthropically, will be despised as a fool and a frivolous person.

All this is only preliminary. I want to say, in all seriousness, that a great deal of harm is being done in the modern world by belief in the virtuousness of work, and that the road to happiness and prosperity lies in an organized diminution of work.


http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html
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Sloth was a sin? And still is. I've always found that diffcult to understand. Also, why do so many people believe it? I find it amusing how pervasive and insidious the idea is, even as every empirical fact seems to scream otherwise.

Why not take-up self-flagellation instead? It surely beats overtime?

We have plenty of labour - a surfeit of labour - yet being idle can be a curse of poverty. Unemployment seems a major problem and yet full-employment could be relatively easily achieved through reducing the hours worked by every individual. I guess it's already happening and we call it casualisation, or whatever - people working part-time, "flexibly". However, this isn't really being met appropiately by the wages/salary side : pay-rates are staying the same per hour, which forces people to work as many hours as they can get, and reasonably do. Antagonistic forces, whilst at the top, everything just gets ever better by ever greater amounts. Compounding luxury.

But when there are people starving for food and employment, let alone luxuries, it just doesn't make sense to have any unemployment. It's a dreadful failure to have mass unemployment. Especially in a culture that claims sloth is a sin.

A completely "free" market will never get us there. Yes, it has its laws and logic - the law of the jungle. It works .... as it does. But why shouldn't we intercede? Why must we accept it as it is? Like we should have accepted we could never fly? Well, why can't we have full employment? Why should we accept the law of the jungle instead? We tend not to accept it in any other sphere other than the most basic of economic relationships.

I don't see how precious-metal based currencies can address full employment either. The supposed strength of precious metals as currency is its weakness - there's a limited amount of it. How do you expand the economy? Discover more gold? Oh brilliant! Everything now depends on how much gold there is. What a success!

[Ron Paul has substantial investments in precious-metal mining corporations. Ron Paul does very well out of high demand for and gold and silver, presumably, eh? Ron Paul appears on Alex Jones' show, which drives fear about the collapse of the American currency and advises people to invest in gold - for their 'security'. Because he cares, right? Alex Jones' show is of course sponsored by a gold salesman, Ted Anderson, and his show appears on the radio station owned by....the gold salesperson, Ted Anderson. Small world?]

And people all across America are storing their little nuggets of precious metal?

Yup - that's obviously really helpful. Certainly helps full employment, doesn't it?

Loughner was member at conspiracy forum - AboveTopSecret

So, Loughner was a member at conspiracy central - ATS - along with all the other nutters.

ATS describes itself thus:

AboveTopSecret.com is the Internet's largest and most popular discussion board community dedicated to the intelligent exchange of ideas and debate on a wide range of "alternative topics" such as conspiracies, UFO's, paranormal, secret societies, political scandals, new world order, terrorism, and dozens of related topics with a diverse mix of users from all over the world.

Loughner was posting there as "erad3" - DARE backwards, his longtime pseudonym at the online game, Earth Empires.

I haven't yet had time to go through his posts at ATS, and doubtless it's going to be a dreary task to do so. (Can I be bothered?) Still, whilst ATS are doing a fair job ATM suggesting there's no connection between their site and Loughner's actions, this does prove a direct connection between paranoid goof-ball conspiracism and Loughner. ATS is a central clearing house for conspiracism, it is everywhere, and all the goofball ideas can be found there.

Of most interest to me atm is how much far-right influence there is operating at ATS. Searching for Stormfront links to ATS I immediately came across this thread at ATS:

Over the course of the past year, the intensely hateful political environment of the U.S. has been a breeding ground for a rise in subtly phrased racism as well as fiercely overt bigotry. We all know why and we all know the cause, there's no reason to spend time reviewing such.
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Interestingly I was following a link to Stormfront, but an ATS message appeared, saying that Stormfront had linked to ATS, that ATS didn't like it, and took a strong position against it. That was the context of the above quote. Clearly, ATS is conscious of having had "issues" with racism, and also the entryism of Stormfront's interest in (anti-semitic) conspiracism.

This post appears in the thread mentioned:

Jews and Muslims are routinely bashed on this board, I've seen Muslims members of ATS mocked and insulted for defending moderate Muslims and their religion.

In my opinion, extreme as it may seem, ATS is dead. As I've said before, this site will be listed as a hate site soon, her soul has been corrupted and killed by an ugly force.

Hmmm. Well, there we go. A member of ATS says it themselves. [This speaks of exactly the processes I found myself amongst conspiracism and of which I have been warning these last 5 years - the entryism of the far-right into conspiracism. It is questionable whether there is any conspiracism without anti-semitism - at the very least, Nazi anti-semitism is essentially a conspiracist worldview. Conspiracists should take careful note of their shared methodology with Nazism, but seemingly never do.]

Some more quotes from that ATS thread:

I have seen people on ATS be blatantly racist and I have seen people on ATS be ignorant to the point of being racist.

Maybe because conspiracism innately provides a vehicle for expression of racism under the cover of vague euphemism, as exemplified by Alex Jones and his use of classic anti-semitic tropes? Leftwing circles do *not* suffer this euphemistic racism, though they are susceptible to anti-semitism on the grounds of supposed anti-imperialism. ATS again:

I find it interestingly [sic] that for the last 8 years we have had this "War on Terror" I have seen on ATS tons of racist posts directed at Muslims, Arabs, Jews, and pretty much anyone from or near the middle east. No one on the staff seemed to care very much. You saw little action other than a few random warnings against the people who were obviously calling for genocide and other big no-no's.

Tons of racist posts at ATS according to this poster. In reply, a mod states that:

We did make efforts to stem the tide of hatred:

Political Baiting and Sniping on ATS

also:

The END of Hate Speech, subtle or otherwise, on ATS

Use the search titles feature with the word "hatred" to find MANY more discussions about it.

The problem is not with the management of this site it's with the membership and the overwhelming number and instances of this kind of behaviour being posted on the boards.

So, an "overwhleming number" of instances of such behaviour at ATS. Thanks for making my case for me......

The second link from that last quote leads to an ATS thread titled - "", which opens with this:

It has become apparent that our beloved ATS has either become the target for or an easy mark for those who would seek to spew their demented hatred for their fellow man based on nothing more than religion, ethnicity or personal preferences...

Uh huh. I'd never have guessed a conspiracy site could be subject to such an outrage. Sure. The post continues:

We have seen an increase in hate speech couched in "news articles", subtle innuendo hidden behind professed disagreement with government policies and blatant, outright ignorance spewed forth for all to see.

The catalyst has been the sad, and horrid conflict happening on the Gaza Strip.

Gee, I'm really shocked, honestly.

Well, I am pleased to see some efforts by the Moderators at ATS to address the rise of the far-right and their racism at ATS. However, their need to do so simply affirms my general point about conspiracism being an attractive vector for the propagation of racism and the far-right, anti-semitism in particular. What the ATS mods seem to miss is that Nazi anti-semitism is essentially conspiratorial, a product of conspiracism: how could it exist without the conspiracist element?

Furthermore, I do think conspiracism has a greater connection to Nazism than is commonly understood - it breeds populism (us and them); it simplifies all problems down to one of identification (us or them) whilst ignoring underlying structural components; it's paranoid; it's mythical; it's syncretic..... Ack - I need to be a smarter cookie to put this together properly.


Stormfront seems down atm, so I can't continue. Anyway - type this into google "site:stormfront.org abovetopsecret.com" and find some interesting crossover posts at Nazi Stormfront to ATS. No wonder ATS felt a need to 'take a stand'.

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ETA - Having now read much of (what is said to be) Loughner's posts at ATS, there's one inescapable conclusion imo. But I'm not a psychiatrist so how to say it? Loughner seems somewhat deranged. Delusional. He shows obvious difficulty communicating and thinking (even though he appears to believe himself to be accomplished at it). He seems mostly to be absolutely devoid of any passion for politics. I don't get any sense of a seething Red, no inclination of a deep malevolent Nazism. Nothing, really. I find it hard to imagine he could actually think about 'politics' as his thinking is so sort of rigid and....just peculiar. I don't think 'politics' was his concern at all, rather he seems to just bump into it in the course of his peculiar interests. It all seems fractured and barely connected. Indeed, he seems barely functional. I can't help thinking it must have been somewhat obvious to the people around him that he had...issues. He seems really quite ill. And he had access to guns. To a degree the whole community is implicated: how can you be so ill, and yet be abandoned to such an illness whilst granted the right to acquire guns? It isn't fair on sick people, and it isn't fair on the community. But of course, mental healthcare and community support is expensive and who wants to pay for it? If you aren't sick yourself, one doesn't wish to pay. And if you are sick, you can't pay. So it just gets left until something like Arizona - it's cheaper?

It seems striking that Loughner's school would only allow him readmittal if he had psychiatric evaluation. But that's where the medical/psychiatric story ends, it seems. He doesn't go back to school, and so nobody else has any obligation or interest in pursuing the boy's illness. And so off he drifts.

I struggle to believe people didn't know this boy was ill. They surely must have, and yet with no support at hand, and nobody interested, what could be done? If true that's a very sad indictment of the entire community, USA wide, I suspect. [Because looking after Loughner would require 'stealing the income from others' aka socialism, right Sarah?]

Even if Loughner was entirely unswayed by any 'politics', of left or right, I think it's no bad thing he be a catalyst for some self-contemplation. At least some good might come out of that.

The conspiracists and far-right responded to this shooting by treating the 'fact' Loughner and his family 'were Jewish' as if it were the primary fact. Also that his mother attended the local synagogue (along with Gifford) and that the congregation and entire world media had covered it up. Jamie Kelso's WhiteNews story about Loughner 'being Jewish' has quickly propagated right across the Patriot Movement and conspiracist cricles. Google is flooded with it.

Steinski & The Mass Media-The Motorcade Sped On