tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2904940198922843174.post6327371500800407301..comments2024-01-03T08:31:24.554+00:00Comments on the_last_blog_left: The 911 "Stand Down Order"? - MYTHthe_last_name_lefthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2904940198922843174.post-8725866785360613622009-07-30T22:24:17.707+01:002009-07-30T22:24:17.707+01:00negligent - not negligible. whoops. :)negligent - not negligible. whoops. :)the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2904940198922843174.post-22571609949477551612009-07-30T22:21:36.493+01:002009-07-30T22:21:36.493+01:00I've gone all the way from being stunned, angr...I've gone all the way from being stunned, angry and aggressive on the day - to a Troofer, and all the way back to essentially rejecting the entire Troofer perspective.<br /><br />That certainly doesn't mean I lack any skepticism about 'the official line'.<br /><br />I'll happily admit that we don't and can't absolutely know who was on the planes. But that also means no alternative explanation can assert we know for a fact the supposed perps were *not* on the planes, which is what I often see claimed.<br /><br />I once couldn't believe the towers could have fallen as they did from fire......but now I believe they did collapse from plane crash, explosions, fire. The WTC never had to meet NYC building codes....because it was Port Authority. In the 1970s the NY fire chief said modern hi-rise buildings were death-traps: he warned there was going to be a disaster. The steel was supplied by ALCOA - big-time political sponsors. There <i>were</i> warnings - that AQ was going to attempt it. There <i>was</i> operation Bojinka. People have been silenced - Bushco were a bunch of liars. None of that necessarily precludes the guilt of AQ. It isn't as if there is no-one out there whom hates America enough to attempt it. I'm surprised it hadn't happened earlier, and more often.<br /><br />Internal flights in US were under heavy commercial pressure - there were very few checks. The dude whom checked-in Mohammed Atta for instance claims he felt Atta was big trouble....but he was fearful that if he refused Atta a boarding pass, his company would be sued, and he'd lose his job - if he was wrong.<br /><br />Personally I think 911 Troof has been useful to the Bush admin, in so far as it has helped obscure the negligence of Bushco by positing all sorts of other explanations, of varying degrees of absurdity. <br /><br />Ultimately, I can only believe what there is evidence to believe. In all the time since 911, there is absolutely zero evidence for any alternative hypothesis. But there is plenty of evidence for the obvious story. From an empirical scientific POV, I just have to accept what evidence there is - I can't simply accept the notion that "all the 'real' evidence is locked away". Accepting that leads one away from scientific approach. All the science I see points to the most obvious - Occam's razor and all that?<br /><br />I don't mind people having a different opinion - as long as it is over clearly ambiguous data. but i won't accept people just asserting stuff groundlessly.<br /><br />I don't like the way people accuse me of all sorts of things simply because I now reject the conspiracy angles. I think my own view is pretty solid - that Bushco were negligible - that american foreign policy is ultimately responsible - that fundamentalist islam (or any religion) is dangerous.<br /><br />I don't mind people disagreeing - so long as they're well intentioned, realistic, etc.<br /><br />i find it an interesting topic - and I now like being on the other side of the fence - it's my usual position :)the_last_name_lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12276770064991215910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2904940198922843174.post-46846462434494547992009-07-30T20:37:42.275+01:002009-07-30T20:37:42.275+01:00I haven't a clue. I tried searching for a good...I haven't a clue. I tried searching for a good source to explain the stand down order controversy, and all the links are dodgy. There was something about Norman Mineta. I think there was some kind of sinister inside role, but I doubt Cheney and Bush would have been involved. I also don't believe Bin Laden had anything to do with it. I don't think he ever took credit for it, something that terrorists always seem to do. I also think Bin Laden has been dead for years due to his kidney problems. I don't buy that a pristine passport was found but that there has been no release of the cockpit recorders. The airliner put option movement seems to lead to who is involved, but we never got any closure on that. I believe there are two separate stories here. Yours is how right wing disinfo has propagated myths about September 11th to serve the image of an unsubstantiated internet full of anti-semites, while the actual anomalies of that sad day have never been explained.Tokyo Shemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01764134901412321022noreply@blogger.com